Swindle 8690
Lie 26955
These are two fascinating asteroids. If one was interested in a man(or woman) and had misgivings about him, one would be wise to check these asteroids. I am quite sure if a man were to swindle a woman, the asteroid would show up strongly in synastry. All things show with asteroids and down to the detail. Hence, always check this asteroid if you have misgivings about a person. Swindle connotes a plan to do evil to another.It connotes consciousness of evil intent.
The Asteroid Lie is more general. This asteroid would show a general pattern of lying rather than an intent to swindle. The Asteroid Lie will show up when someone will deceive you. They will betray you by lying. This asteroid would show lying only.One could not say how the lies would manifest. Hence, Asteroid Lie is a more general asteroid than Asteroid Swindle
What does it mean in synastry when his swindle conjuncts her Uranus( 1 orb)?And her swindle opposite his eros and casanova (1 orb)?
Very interesting question. His swindle would connote consciousness of trying to treat her wrongfully. If it touched Uranus which is the planet of electricity, I would think the incident may blow up. Has it? Her Swindle opposes his Eros and Cassanova. That is very interesting.She may struggle with wanting to swindle him. She may be tempted to but goes back and forth on it. What do you think?
I don’ t know.Maybe you are right?!
and his mars (scorp) squares her lie (leo) (2 orbs). and his lie conjuncts her vesta(0.11 orb) and her damocles(0.31 orb) and her karma (0.31 orb) and descendant (? exact orbs 0-4) all this in pisces. and his lie conjuncts his juno (orb 1.74) ,her echo (orb 0.85) and her jupiter (orb 1.73)’her karma and damocles (orb 0.31) all these in pisces .his lie opposite her diana (0 orbs),her ascendent (0-4 orbs?).his lie is squared by her saturn (0.84 orb) and is squared by her khiron (0.7 orb).his selene conjuncts her jupiter (2.14 orb).his selene conjuncts his juno (2.13 orb in pisces) and the girl in her natal has juno conjuncts selene (0.31 orb in sagitarius).
Also his medea conjuncts her vesta (1.08 orb),her jupiter (2.7 orb),her echo (0.12 orb),her karma and damocles(0.66 orb),his juno (2.71 orb),his karma (1.71 orb).
his karma conjuncts his juno (0.03 orb) and her jupiter (0.02 orb),his lie (1.71 orb),his medea (2.68 orb)
his juno conjuncts her jupiter (0.01 orb pisces),her karma and damocles(2.02 orb),her vesta (1.63 orb),opposite her Diana (1.74 orbs),squared by her Saturn (2.53 orbs),Squared by her Khiron (1.04 orb).
his Nessuss (virgo) opposite his selene (0.1 orb),opposite his juno (2.23 orb),opposite his karma (2.26 orb),opposite his Afrodite (0.59 orb),opposite his Nymphe(pisc) (0.03 orb),opposite his Venusia (2.26 orb),opposite his Loreley (pisc) (0.82 orb),squares her loreley(sag)(0.05 orb),squares her juno (sag)(1.77 orb)squares her asteroid house(sag) .1.78orbs).
His Venusia (pisc) conjuncts his karma (0 orb),his juno (0.03 orb),her jupitier (0.02 orb),her Vesta (1.6 orb),her Karma and damocles (2.02 orbs)and opposite her Diana (1.71 orb),her natal ascendant(? exact orbs),opposite his Nessuss (2.26 orbs?),squared by her Saturn (2.5 orbs),squared by her Khiron (1.01 orbs).
I have to add that all this construction that I wrote you about is on her asc-desc. After the relocation all this in her 8-th house (jupiter ,vesta and everything that I mentioned in pisces)
What do you think About the relationship from these aspects, I am interested especially about Nessus,the asteroid lie and what can you say about all this construction that I described to you?
I will be glad to read your oppinion. Thank you very much!
And in another synastry what may mean 2 asteroid swindle of 2 persons conjunct moon of one and 2 their name asteroids (less than 2 orbs)?
all in conjunction.
Not really synastry, but asteroid lie.conjuncts my MC, which also happens to.conjunct tightly to mercury and asteroid pan… What possible insights can you give me on this ami? Does part of my reputation/ profession (10th house) have to do with lying and deception?? Does it come natural to me? I don’t think I like this aspect 🙁
Very interesting about the Lie Asteroid, Jenny. My first question would be if you have to lie in your career Do you have to fudge the truth? The charts never lie. What is there will come to pass. Do you have a job which involves lying like a politician lol xx
Ami, I know its been months but I just saw your reply as I was doing more research on asteroid lie and swindle…..
And I have to answer ,yes, to your questions. I can think of many, many times where I have lied and fudged the truth a little to save myself embarrassment or someone else. I grew up feeling ashamed a lot as a kid due to strict religious, Christian ,household, so lying is something I do to not bring attention to certain parts of me and my life that are more vulnerable to judgements.
The scary thing is its not limited to my profession, it is just me all around.
However, I manage to get away with this due to my asc. In sweet taurus conjunction chiron rising. Not proud of it, but its what has been.
You are right. The chart never lies.
Awww Thanks, Jenny. You can, always, come back and visit, if it has been months. We, mutables, are like That 😀 Come and register in my Forum and come and talk about it all. I will be excited to see you there! xx
Ami, okay I generated a couple more thoughts after testing out asteroids swindle and lie in a variety of charts, any of your great insights would be appreciated…
1* asteroid Lie is transiting right now exactly conj. My natal ascendant…
2*In composite chart of me and my man, retrograde asteroid lie is six degrees away fr. Conjuncting a chiron-dark moon lilith-sun (all conjunct) stellium that runs over composite I.C.
3*transiting Asteroid swindle , in composite chart, conjuncts our composite EROS in 8th house, at this time.
4* in synastry, we both have asteroid swindle in each other’s 2nd house
I will be back to study, as this will take some time. Why don’t you post this is the Forum, so it will be more front and center? xx
Ami, great, I posted on the forum! Look forward to talking more with you
Awesome, Jenny <3
So Ami…I have lie square swindle in a composite chart with a guy I am seeing. Should I be worried? It seems they contact each other in synastry too, but I can’t remember the exact aspects right now. I now for sure they contact in composite. Thank you
Yes, K, I would watch it. I would look at the rest of the chart and if you see Neptune( the planet of deception) touching crucial things, as well, I would have red flags raised.
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Hi Ami,
I just ran the lie and swindle asteroid in my own chart and found that swindle conjuncts my own Moon by a 3 degree orb. Is this something that should concern me?
No, 3 degrees is pretty wide, Friend.
Thank you, Ami. I am VERY relieved!
Awww I know how you feel, Lesley. I feel the same way when I find things in my chart lol
Hey Ami,
trying to wrap my brain around this
Yikes, Emily
Who has this before I answer LOL
I would say that I would watch this person BUT Saturn being there could make a huge difference as this person may really struggle NOT to lie and swindle. Saturn makes one mature, responsible and do the right thing. My guess is that the person really, really struggles not to lie and swindle. Now, tell me the story!
i know right hahahahaha yes Ami … my natal … i was like what???, but i never lie or swindle, if anything i desperatly struggle not to engage in that, i feel enourmous pain and burden, its just never been my modus operandi, i had had no need for it … anyway this is exactly what i thought it must be Saturn a saving grace, a sobering effect…. i just dont know about Sweet there – what is Sweet about?
but i like how someone said swindle had something to do with chess and strategy … so its not really so bad … maybe its that i got no game hahahaha or i struggle with having a game plan idk
LOL That is so funny, Emily.
Oh dear this was interesting ..
I was just getting to know Swindle and Lie and wonder what it could mean when a friend of mine conjucts her Swindle with my North Node?? I actuallylately have had quite a hard time figuring out her motives as we are engaged in a dispute (which is complicated and confusing about a guy.. ) where i feel she was doing me wrong and she will not admitt it.. and i can’t believe this just happend as we been good friends for a long time! So now maybe i think this could have something to with this Swindle asteroid !
She also has Sun conjuct Lie with less than 2 orb.. but maybe it’s best to leave personal natal chart to the owner of the chart and not judge them for that.. as it is always a free choice how to deal with the aspects and it might be an honest struggle to have this aspect??.
Wow, wow Kristnan
That is amazing!
hello Ami Anne, i have asteroid lie conjunct my virgo north node, what would that mean, am i destined to lie 🙂
Hi Matt and Welcome!
I would say that you would struggle with it :/
I have swindle conjunct my mercury by 1 degree exact in Virgo. Mercury is 4*30 degrees and swindle is 5*30. Just the other day, I shoplifted an expensive concealer from pharmacy. I know it sounds bad, but I’m secretly proud of it.
What else do you think happens with this conjunction?
Wow I admire you for admitting it lol
Yes, I think you have to be careful because it would be super embarrassing if you got caught not to mention expensive and you may have a record
Thanks 🙂
I know. Before doing that, I was thinking if I should do it or not many times before doing it. My mercury is retrograde that’s why I think. But I did it finally. But I will try not to do it next time, because as you said I could get caught which I’m scared of.
I hear people say it is a thrill. I am too chicken to ever take the chance of public humiliation 😀
Yes, it’s a thrill for me, but because I have social anxiety, I’m also very scared of public humiliation. But my swindle conjunct mercury somehow manages to make me swindle, lol 😛
You are flirting with danger or maybe being self destructive. Be careful. Eat a whole cake instead 😀
It’s very rare that I shoplift or do things like that. Before shoplifting the concealer, I only shoplifted 2 times before in my life. I would never want to be publicly humiliated, it’s one of my biggest fears. On one side, I’m really scared of getting caught, but on the other side, there’s a thrill to do something like that lol. But I would never do something serious. Maybe only shoplift little cheap things and that too rarely.
Yea, I figured it was the thrill. Really rich people shoplift for the thrill. If you got caught, it could ruin your life with a record and so please, think of this. Your job chances etc would really suffer!
Hello again AmiAnn! I have a foreboding aspect with Swindle. It is trine my Midheaven at zero degrees and it’s an approaching aspect. It’s also conjunct my moon (approaching too) but the orb is wide at 4 degrees, plus it’s squaring Uranus too, but at only 4 degrees. What do you think it means if Swindle is trine the Midheaven? The orb is tight at zero degrees. Like I’m about to be mean or I’ll “swindle” people? It’s only a trine though, not a conjunct.
Asteroid Lie is opposing my Midheaven too, but it’s at 5 degrees (separating), so I don’t think it will make much of an impact in my life.
4 and 5 degrees can be thrown out, my Friend, imo
Trine the MC could put you in a “Swindle profession” like politician or lawyer ^^
I see thanks as always for your replies, from now on I will only “keep an eye” on those that are 2 degrees and below. I have Saturn in the 10th, and my career is quite delayed, but I think since I intend to apply in a call center, where lying is most likely to happen to appease or to get a customer off your back, then I think that’s how it’s gonna play out? Lol. We’ll see if I get hired. ;p
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Keep me posted lol xx
No problem, than you too for helping me out interpreting these asteroids! I’m also posting in linda-goodman since 2012, although I now hang out more in the personal readings section lol. I have soo many obstacles that I hope I will finally get a job before the year ends! I need to move out of my parent’s house! Will keep you posted how this asteroid will play out, hehe. We really don’t have much of a free will come to think of it. Everything is destined!
What is your LL name? I think we can find God and He can lead us though.
By the way, I noticed just now that you also have a forum, that’s awesome! I will try to participate there too.
I would love it, P. Look forward to discussing your chart 😀
Thank you very much for the welcome! My LL username is “neptunicity”, and I think I have posted on some of your threads before. 🙂 Good thing that I have discovered astrology, because I’m now more aware that some things are just meant to happen. I just wished I have been interested earlier, like in high school so that I would be forewarned about some of the people that betrayed me. By the way, I remember that you also have Chiron in the 4th house? I have that too! It’s the worst placement for Chiron isn’t it? I also have Mars in the 3rd and 4th. I have CRAZY family members!
No, Chiron in the 4th is one of the easier ones.All Chiron placements are hard. The hardest is conjunct the ASC, then the MC. I think the 5th and 8th Houses are harder. Actually, the 10th House is harder. The 12th House is harder lol
Really? I haven’t studied yet extensively on astrology, so I’m not that knowledgeable yet, lol. Maybe because I have Mars and North Node in the 4th that’s why I say it’s hard, lol. The 12th house gets a bad reputation all the time, I read that it’s paying for a past life karma, so if you don’t have any planets there then you’re lucky. I have Neptune in the 11th and 12th, quite hard too if you ask me, I’d rather have it on the 12th than on the 11th! I wonder how Chiron in the 12th will make it worse, since the 12th house is hidden. lol.
If Chiron is hidden, the pain will come out in ways that you are not aware of like addictions etc. This would be worse imo
I see, maybe that includes mental illness too, right? Well, as long as you can move out of your home then bye, bye, Chiron in the 4th, right? lol. It does make sense, you can’t really “move out” of the 12th house.
No, Chiron in the 4th stays with you for life, imo. I wish I did not have to say that but it is my opinion. The Chiron wound never really seems to heal but one can heal others with it.
Really? Well the “wound” will be permanent, but at least we can avoid the ones that’s causing them, right? Which is our family.. But yeah if you are referring about the emotional aspect and the trauma that it has caused us, then it really will last a lifetime in our minds..
Well, God can overcome any chart but just Jesus, imo, not the New Age gods lol