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The Five Darkest, Sexual Aspects in Synastry

There is attraction based on dark forces like rage, pain and abuse. Does the man walk up to you and tell you that he wants to abuse you because you seem like the perfect victim? Hardly. In fact, it is the opposite. It seems like the man of your childhood dreams walked out of the ether into your life like the larger than life heroes on the movie screens. It always starts this way. If it feels too, too good to be true, it often is.

In these dark, sexual relationships, you feel the raw passion and soul mate connection like no other. You never want to leave your beloved’s side until they put you in the grave. However, there is a flip side. The flip side is that when it ends( and it usually does) you could go to jail for homicide.

When these relationships end, it is not pretty. It is not pretty at all. That is why I, affectionately, call them “too hot not to cool down.” There are certain aspects I see in these dark,nuclear passion relationships. You say that you want a nuclear passionate relationship. Everyone should have one once in a lifetime, I suppose. It is like sky diving. You can say you did it and you can help the next person who comes along.

1. Moon/Pluto does not have to be dark sexual but if any planetary aspect would be, it would be this. Moon conjunct Pluto is the strongest of the Moon/Pluto aspects because the conjunction trumps any other aspect in strength. Think sitting next to a roaring fire. In the conjunction, the planets are next to each other( or on top of each other in the exact conjunction).

Moon/Pluto as a conjunction is not dark , per se. It is very, very powerful. When/if that turns bad, it could become dark. However, Moon/Pluto in conjunction does not have to turn bad. It is a true soul mate aspect, to me. It is the passion of lovers and the pure, primal love of a mother for her baby. Powerful, you say? YES

Moon/Pluto in a trine is very powerful, too. It is not as intense as the conjunction but very intense, nonetheless. This is not a dark aspect, either.

Moon oppose Pluto and Moon square Pluto could tend to be dark because they are powerful and not with a harmonious flow. We are dealing with very primal emotions here and we all know what primal emotions and passions can do if a person is not careful. If you see Moon oppose or square Pluto, don’t play with the person. If you want to end it, be upfront and be kind. Playing with someone’s emotions when these aspects are involved could lead to bad things such as violence.

2. Mars/Pluto

Mars/Pluto is more primal in a pure sexual way than Moon/Pluto which is more emotional and much more emotionally bonded. You can have Mars/Pluto with a fling and not feel a thing in your emotions.We have the same kind of weighting with the conjunction, trine, opposition and square as we did above.

To summarize, I would say that Mars/Pluto could be passionate sex and passionate emotions but no soul.If a chart had no Moon aspects and Mars/Pluto aspects, I would say it would be a fling.

3. Now, we come to things that could really make the relationship dark. The first would be Nessus

Nessus is the abuser’s asteroid. I, always, have people wantΒ  to tell me that Nessus is not always abuse. To me, it always is. The exception would be the person who overcame it through God. However, this person would have to play it out before he overcame it. If you see Nessus in synastry, make sure you know which side of the fence he is on. To be honest, few people overcome Nessus. It can be done but it is rare that someone reaches that level of spiritual mastery. I have seen it in a few people, only.

4. Another asteroid that is dark is Dejanira. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. People tell me the same thing they tell me with Nessus. “Not all people with a prominent Dejanira are victims” I disagree.I think they will be until they can truly overcome it with God. Many people say they have overcome things but I watch their actions and see they are lying. They are deceiving themselves, would be a better way to say it. The chart allows one to see oneself. That is why it is so powerful. That is why I don’t mince words. It is disrespect to Astrology which I love and respect.

To put it plainly, if you have a dominant Nessus, you will be an abuser. If you have a dominant Dejanira, you will be a victim. If you do not have either of these in the natal but have them in synastry, it will play out the same way. In other words, if a man’s Nessus conjuncts your ASC, he will abuse you, in my opinion. If a man’s Nessus conjuncts, your Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or North Node, he will abuse you, in my opinion. If your Dejanira conjuncts his ASC, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Venus or NN, you will be his victim.

Before I leave this subject, I will add my theory. This is based on experience and charts, as are all my theories. I think the Nessus/Deja relationship in synastry is a re-play of childhood abuse. That is why it is so powerful. That is why it feels so life and death. It brings you back to the time when you were a child and truly powerless.

5. Uranus/Mars in synastry can be kinky. This is not dark sexual, per se. However, if you have Nessus/Dejanira and Mars/Uranus, particularly in hard aspect( opposition and square), it may make for dark spice, shall we say. the reason this is the case is that Mars is sexual drive( all drives actually). Uranus is kink, so you do the math.

 

I am looking to add 5 more aspects and would love your opinions!

 

 

 

 

 

 

153 thoughts on “The Five Darkest, Sexual Aspects in Synastry

  1. amiannIvs

    Hi! I was thinking that maybe one of the “lesser” factors could be moon/mars contacts? Obviously the hard ones, like by a square or an opposition, adding to the (possibly) destructive passion! Maybe also Mars/Uranus?

    I’ve only been studying astrology casually for 5 years, so even though I know the basic interpretation of those planets in contact, I’d still love to hear it from a pro πŸ™‚ love your blog!

  2. amiannsovietlana

    what if I have my Lilith conjunct his juno and his venus. His Pluto sextile my moon, His Jupiter conjunct my moon and his Neptune conjunct my moon, also his mars opposite my venus, is that conducive to passion and helping me release my cancer 8th house sun conjunct north node repressesion? πŸ™‚

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Why don’t you come and put the chart up on my Forum? Have you tried? Just from reading this, I think it looks very good but I really need to see the wheel as it is easier.

  3. amiannsovietlana

    hmm well I don’t really have his birth time πŸ™ lol so I just went by the general aspects, so I can see what he does to my moon and where his planets fall in my houses but not vice versa.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      We can still find a lot of info with no time of birth. You lose about 25% but still have about 75%. Come and post the charts. Set his time to 12 midnight but TELL me, so I know before I look! xx

  4. amiannsovietlana

    haha you are so cute, I like you and you write very simple and easy to understand. so, quick question, where do I post it? under what theme of the forum? and should I post the picture of the chart (I usually get it from astro.com)? I guess i’ll post mine and then our synastry chart. thank you again for being so welcoming

  5. amiannsovietlana

    his moon is in cancer so depending on what time he’s born, there are 2 scenarios :1) my Saturn squares his moon but my sun and north node would conjunct it 2) my Pluto would square his moon but our moons would be in trine. Not sure which one i’d prefer….

  6. amiannPhoenix1977

    I appreciate your thoughts on these aspects but I am concerned when any astrologer singles out specific aspects and makes sweeping judgements about charts and how the energies in that chart will be made manifest. Planets and asteroids will be modified when they aspect each other, this the possibilities are endless. I have some extreme aspects and I shudder to think how they would be expressed had I not had saturn at the top of my chart who keeps things in check via a grand trine involving some big bad planets. Further, there is such a thing such as free will.

    Nonetheless, your interpretation of dejanira and nessus is intriguing.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Thank you, Phoenix

      I hear your concern. In order to talk about an asteroid, one must isolate it. Also, I try to be very direct to counter the tendency in many Astrologer not to take a stand. I do Astrology the way that I would want to learn it. For that reason, I am not for everyone and know this but I seem to be appreciated by people who think like I do. Thank you for your comment. Please, keep giving your opinion. It is valued!

  7. amiannfly2arrow

    My first husband was abusive – His Nessus conjunct my Descendant
    with Dejanira conjunct his natal Sun
    A later relationship was abusive (a psychopath) – His Nessus square my Sun
    with Dejanira conjunct his natal Saturn, Mars. My Nessus square his Venus
    Dejanira trines my Ascendant

  8. amiannLo

    Hi,

    Excellent blog.

    Do these asteroids have to be conjunct planets or square each other to be dangerous? What about Nessus conjunct Dejanira in synastry and there is no abuse whatsoever, what would that mean?

    L

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Thank you, Lo and Welcome πŸ˜€
      Yes, these asteroids have to be in a very close conjunction with other planets ( or a very close square) to be dangerous. If one does not see any abuse when this happens, my opinion would be that they don’t know the person enough lol

      I know it is not funny but the charts will play out, in my experience, anyway.

      Please, tell me about the situation, Lo.

      1. amiannLo

        Hi Amiann,

        That’s why it’s so weird bc it is a very good longterm relationship. There are no planets conjunct or square either Nessue or Dejanira in either chart, the only conjunction is her Dejanira to his Nessus. I think there’s a trine or sextile to other asteroids but nothing major.

        I came across your blog post and so went through my charts looking for couple friends and this one came up as having the conjunction. It’s not a square but there isn’t much info out there on the conjunction. Also, there is no abuse either way. They’re both devoted and kind people and I’ve known her since we were teens. They’re still deeply in love and their synastry and composite charts support it.

        Is there a positive aspect to this connection?

        What does Nessus and Dejanira mean when conjuncting each other?

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          Are they married, Lo. Things don’t come out until marriage, sometimes. Is there a good part to Nessus/deja conjunct? I would say no, but I am not the last word in anything. There is precious little practical info out there on asteroids. I seem to be one of the rare people doing it lol

          1. amiannLo

            They are married.

            They have lots of soulmate connections in the charts and both make really strong NN conjunctions and squares in synastry. I think her NN is right on his 7th house axis for one. His makes two major squares to her inner planets. Lots of good aspects so that’s why the Nessus Dejanira confuses me. I was shocked to see it in this couple’s charts.

            Could it be a past life meaning? Her NN on his 7th makes me think it’s a past life hold.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Well, I have been thinking about the situation. I would say that there must be wonderful soul connections that keep down the abuse that would come up without these. DO they have Moon trine Moon or Moon conjunct Moon. They have transcended Nessus conj Dejanira, which is a new situation for me to see. Do you have their synastry you could post on my Forum?

      1. amiannLo

        Hi Amiann,

        Sorry for the late reply. I asked if I could post their charts but my friend isn’t comfortable with it.

        But I did find out that her Amor conjuncts their Dejanira-Nessus conjunction, so her Dejanira is conjunct her Amor. His Amor is in trine and sextile to a few of her inner planets. Yes, their Moons are trine – both in Earth signs.

        One other thing that might be helpful with this asteroid pairing, and one that I think is quite meaningful…. They have a very imaginative sex life. Their chemistry is obvious even after all these years but she did recently reveal that some light BDSM play is involved. That might be how they’re playing out their Nessus-Dejanira, though I’m not sure since they also have a lot of mutual Uranus and Pluto contacts to inner planets and both Ascendants.

        1. amiannLo

          Eros is also prominent in their synastry. His Eros is on her Descendant and her Eros makes a square to his Sun and conjuncts his Vertex. Eros isn’t making any connections to either Dejanira or Nessus though.

  9. amiannSandy

    crap. My Dejanira is in 5 Sag, like his North Node.
    His Dejanira is in 25 Scorpio, conjunct my Part of Fortune in 27 Scorpio, opposite my Moon in 29 Taurus and Mars and Jupiter, in 0 Gemini. Does this mean anything?
    I never heard of these asteroids, especially being linked to abusers and victims. Where did you get these theories from?
    Also, It doesn’t suit me. I also have Nessus in 22 Virgo exactly opposite my Sun, conjunct my Asc in 18 Virgo, and I am NOT an abuser, unless it’s in self defense.Either way, I don’t enjoy hurting people.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      With asteroids, I would accept a 3 degree conjunction, tops. IF the chart does not seem right, then I think the time of birth is off. It may be off a few minutes and change things. However, if the time is right, for sure, I would trust the chart over a personal account. I have to always be honest. That is my commitment to my readers.

      1. amiannMandy

        Still, even without the conjunction, I have Nessus in the 1st house, which would make me abusive, according to these theories, and I don’t fit.
        If anything, I’ve suffered abuse from others at times. I do find it funny that I have Dejenira in 5 deg Sag, since most of my arch enemies were Sags. I generally cannot stand them, and their tendency to be arogant and conceited towards anyone who doesn’t think the way they do does come across as downright abusive to me.

        I’m curious about that conjunction to my crush’s NN, though..do you really think it could mean something? It is just the North Node, after all, not a personal planet.
        His Nessus makes no major aspect to my planets, except a 3 orb trine to my Mercury and North Node, and Vertex..could this mean we’ll step on each other’s toes when it comes to reaching our goals?

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          YES, your Deja conj his NN will make you his victim, to put it really directly. This is my opinion and other people may differ but I call things as I see them, Mandy dear.

  10. amiannSandy

    PS I checked the synastry of a man I know for sure was abused by his own father physically and emotionally, throughout his childhood, and this man’s Nessus is conjunct his father’s Sun. So the theory doesn’t check out.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Lets see. The Nessus is usually the abuser but in this case, it was the son. I bet that the son was still the abuser though, even if he was the victim, as a child. We need to look at the whole chart to see the whole story. I don’t think you can draw the concrete conclusion you did from these aspects. When the son grows up, he will likely be the abuser,too. Do you see what I mean. The chart is complex and one has to look at the entire chart to draw very global conclusions. For teaching purposes, one must break things down, so it may seem like it is contrary but it is really not, imo, Sandy.

      1. amiannMandy

        Well, maybe, but don’t most abusers have a history of childhood abuse themselves? That can be justified through basic psychology, I think. Children create their future adult personalities by learning from the adults around them and their interactions, so it makes sense, sadly.
        I think there are very few people who actually manage to overcome childhood abuse, and not without a long painful journey and negative experiences.

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          Yes, this is all very true but the charts exist outside of time, too. I mean, a person’s life is complicated. That being said, the charts WILL play out, imo and ime.

        2. amiannamiann Post author

          Yes, this is all very true but the charts exist outside of time, too. I mean, a person’s life is complicated. That being said, the charts WILL play out, imo and ime.

  11. amiannFluffySoda

    Hi Amiann, how do you think nessus square neptune would play out in synastry, let’s say if it’s almost exact. I am the nessus person and I admit to having some devious tendencies towards anyone with neptune in that position.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Hi Fluffy and Welcome!

      Well you may want to take advantage of their trust and innocence. They may not be able to see what you are up to and you could use this for your gain. Does that fit and I applaud your willingness to face yourself.

      1. amiannFluffySoda

        Thank you. πŸ™‚

        Yeah, the “They may not be able to see what you are up and you could use this for your gain” fits perfectly. Always leaving them in a fog of confusion, along with lies, victim playing and guilt trips. I always seem to have the opinion that these people are somewhat evil yet gullible and innocent and therefore they deserve to be abused.

        And when you really think about it this line of thought “deserve to be abused” is quite sociopathic in nature. And as far as I know there’s a strong correlation between nessus and psychopaths/abusers.

        Astrology never fails to amaze me…

  12. amiannEve.Marie

    Good afternoon, thank you for this article
    Would you say that a double whammy Nessus OPPOSITE Juno is something dangerous too ? or is the bad guy Nessus only dangerous when in conjonction with Dejanira ?
    woman ‘s Dejanira and Juno, ( 4Β°45 and 4Β°32 Scorp ) both conjunct man’s Eros and Chiron, (5Β°10 Scorp, 5Β°30 Scorp ) and both OPPOSITE man’s Nessus (6Β° Taurus)
    and DW : woman’s Nessus (13Β° Gemini) opposite man’s Juno ( 12Β° Sag)

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Hi Eva!

      Great questions. Asteroids touching asteroids are not as powerful as asteroids touching persona; points on the chart such as the ASC, Moon, Sun, Venus etc. I could not really answer this question without seeing the whole chart. You could post it in my Forum if you would like, Eva. Did you know I had one?

  13. amiannAriel

    His 8th house Nessus is conjunct my 7th house Dejanira (2s), opposite my moon (-1s) and square my mercury (2a). My Dejanira is square his venus (-0a) and conjunct his vertex (0s).

    We`ve known each other for a few months and generally it is a good relationship. We have our arguments and I sometimes feel put down by him (and, to be fair, he feels the same way about me) and sometimes my self-esteem suffers. There`s also lot of growth and sweetness and nothing that amounts to abuse.

    Could you specify what you mean by abuse (subtle, verbal, violent etc.?)? And how did you arrive at the conclusion that Nessus and Dejanira are indicative of abuse? Is this something that reliably and consistently is reflected in a variety of different charts?

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Welcome, Ariel and great questions. With asteroids, one must be an intrepid explorer because there is precious little PRACTICAL info out there. What use is reams of esoteric info for real life applications. I seemed to be destined to study and use Nessus and Deja. In my studies and usage of them, they play out to be the abuser and the victim. They play out to have a certain pattern to the relationship. The relationship seems to end in a certain way, too. I have no vested interest in any asteroid or any placement being any way other than my being able to help people. As such, Nessus seems out to be the abuser and Deja the victim. I have not seen it fail in all of my chart work. I am one person with one person’s experience, of course.

    2. amiannamiann Post author

      As far as the form of abuse, one must look at the sign and the quadriplicity( cardinal, fixed or mutable) One must look at the chart to see how the abuse will play out but I think that abuse will occur in your situation with Nessus conjunct Dejanira. As such, I would be careful and watchful. If you do this, Astrology will serve it’s purpose, which is to warn and alert people to possible problems and even dangers. How fortunate we are to have such a wonderful body of info to help us!

  14. amiannAriel

    Thank you, Amiann. That`s very interesting information. There is so few information on these aspects so I really appreciate reading more about it here and in the forum. The nessus and deja conjunction is in Cancer.

      1. amiannAriel

        Oops, sorry Amiann. I should have replied to the previous post, as it was a continuation of the conversation we had started. I was wondering how abuse would play itself out if the Nessus-Deja synastry conjunction is in Cancer.

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          No worries. I reply to the comments out of order because I do it on the central comment form. Ok–I really can’t comment on the sign, per se. It may be the abuse takes place in the home or within the family. I really have not looked at these aspects in signs, though. I suppose I should add that. I have looked at them unto themselves but everything matters so I will start to incorporate signs and houses. Thanks for the push in this direction, my Friend.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Welcome Dean!

      These parts of you would flow well i.e may not play out in actual asbuse but would still be issues you both would deal with i.e abuse/victimhood imo I have not seen the trine in actual charts, dean.

  15. amiannJuice

    Hi,

    I have Dejanira in Pisces in the 4H. I was sexually abused in my home by a family member. I just found out my abuser’s Moon is 1 degree conjunct my Dejanira. Wow. Thank you for this information! The puzzle pieces are coming together for me…….. finally.

    I also found out that my Nessus is 1 degree conjunct my current boyfriend’s Sun(Cancer). I am worried about being the abuser here. Do you have any advice for me?

    Also, I discovered that my daughter has Dejanira conjunct her 2H Virgo Moon(3 deg. orb). Oh dear, I am soooooo freaked out!!!!!!! Is there anything I can do to help her?

    Thank You so much for this info. on Dejanira and Nessus. It is really rocking my world right now <3

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      About YOU being the Nessus with your b/f.
      I think you will have the urge to abuse. I suppose you have choice on whether to act on it. That would seem to be the case but sometimes, the strength of these aspects get the better of us, so it is hard for me to answer.

      For your daughter, watch out she does not get sexually abused. Keep an eye on anyone who is near her. 3 degrees is wide but this is one of the hardest aspects in the whole chart, so please be vigilant, as I know you will be!

  16. amiannJuice

    Thank you for your response, I appreciate it very much.

    Next, I have uncovered that in my Draconic Dejanira is 1 degree conjunct my natal Scorpio Moon. It seems like sexual abuse is an emotional “theme” that I am working with in this life. I am prone to being attacked in this way. I often am able to get away in time, and at other times I can get away only to a certain degree.

    Knowing more……. I feel like it helps me. I have more compassion for myself, and I feel validated some ~ not to identify more as a victim……. it’s more like the astrology helps me to fill in the pictures. As I see more pieces, I think my awareness shifts, and I do feel like that makes a difference.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      I don’t do the Draconic. I just never have, not that it is not good. What conjuncts your Aura? tell me your story, if you care to, Juice dear.

  17. amiannBritt

    I know this is an article for synastry, but I’m a little worried about my natal chart after reading about Nessus and Dejanira. Nessus conjuncts BML, and Dejanira conjuncts DSC and Pluto. Do you know what these aspects could mean? I’m trying really, really hard not to jump to conclusions, so any help or advice you could give would be very much appreciated.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Welcome, Britt. Wow, Pluto conj the DSC may be looking for partners who have strong primal power and you may not have accessed your own. Deja conj the DSC may make you look for wounded bird types. What do you think?

      1. amiannBritt

        Thank you, amiann. And thank you for this article, I should have said that before. I do keep finding myself attracted to people who seem to have a strong primal power under the surface, and I don’t really feel connected to Pluto myself (I don’t know if that’s on purpose or simply because it’s otherwise weakly aspected in my chart). It took me a minute to think about the “wounded bird types”, but I think you might be right. I don’t mean to, but I think I find issues/hurts of my friends and partners and end up trying to mother them… if that’s what you meant.

        Do you think I need to worry about the Nessus/BML conjunction or about abusing the poor wounded birds I keep looking for? For more context, Nessus/BML don’t aspect anything else except a grand trine with Mercury/MC and Jupiter. I don’t want to assume that having Nessus conj BML means I’m going to be abusive in sexual relationships.

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          You are so welcome, Britt and thanks so much for telling me that you like it. It makes my day πŸ˜€

          What conjuncts the DSC, we disown and find in the partner. That is the nature of the DSC. About Nessus/BML, I would watch it. I think most people of the same time period would have it though, so it is not that big of a deal, I think. Can you relate to it or are just worried in general lol

          1. amiannBritt

            Thanks! I’ve never seen the Descendant explained so clearly or succinctly before. That Pluto/DSC has been a source of confusion and frustration for me for a while, but now it makes sense.

            I can’t really relate to Nessus at all, though I sometimes think I can feel BML itching under my skin. I guess I was just worried in general, just in case :P.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      To me, you may really struggle with falling into the victim role and would have to keep pulling yourself up over and over until you get real traction which could take some time

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  19. amiannJen

    My ex has Scorpio Pluto conjunct my scorpio moon, and I have Sagittarius pluto conjunct his sagittarius moon. Amazing emotional+sexual chemistry though there was some bumps in the way. Our mars are square (aquarius:leo) also. It may seem challenging but we share many conjunctions and trines/sextiles.
    I still talk to him to this day and I honestly will never forget how magnetic this relationship was.

  20. amiannMaria

    And what about Sun and Pluto contacts in synastry? (double-whammy..)
    Can this aspect be calmed down by a Mars conjunct Saturn contact?
    Thanks :),
    M.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      What are the exact Sun/pluto aspects Maria? Mars conj Saturn is not good. One person is kind of riding the other one in this. The Saturn person may kind of ride the back of the Mars person.

  21. amiannMaria

    Hi,
    I was wondering.. Are Sun/Mars (double whammy) and Venus/Mars (double whammy) “dark” aspects in synastry? What about this aspects?

    Thank you,
    M.

  22. amiannKiran

    Thank you so much for the reply and sorry for the late reply, I’ve just seen it xx My moon is in Sagittarius and his in cancer, so that always worries me πŸ™‚

    He has pluto at 27 Virgo with my sun at 11 Virgo. His ascendant is at 24 Virgo and has 0 Virgo in his 12th house. Our composite moon is at 26 Virgo and pluto at 0 libra. Moon conjunct pluto I’m composite and moon in 12th house composite (our feelings were a secret for a long time as we didn’t know how we felt and were not able to be together for a long time). I have 8 scorpio ascendant and he 4 scorpio jupiter. My jupiter conjunct his sun and venus. I have moon conjunct neptune and venus in 12th house. Sorry if it’s too much info πŸ™‚ xx

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Mars sq Pluto can be violence and/or violent/strong passions. The opposition would be the same but not as locked in or as intense. You, as the Pluto in the trine with his Sun and venus could kind of see through him lol

  23. amiannKiran

    Thank you Amy for your reply πŸ™‚ We are both passionate, but luckily, by nature, not violent people thank God πŸ™‚

    I had a couple of questions?

    Does it matter if he doesn’t have pluto in aspect to my venus (mine is 19 Libra)? Also, how does moon conjunct pluto in synastry differ to moon conjunct pluto in composite.

    Lastly, with me having moon conjunct neptune in my natal and venus in my 12th house, does that make me similar to venus in pisces xxx I ask because I attract men with mars in pisces and men who have pisces as a descendant/7th house πŸ™‚

    Thank you so much for your time x

  24. amiannPlutoVenusRising

    Hi Ami,
    What is your opinion on
    Dejanira (female) conjunct Saturn (male)
    And
    His Nessus conjunct her midheaven. Who would bring who abuse? His abuse asteroid on her midheaven would be her reputation and career, right? What are your thoughts?
    And how would his Saturn conjunct her dejanira play out?
    Thank you for your words

  25. amiannMaria

    I was wondering how much weight can have the orbit in a synastry.. for example, I have with a guy a Venus trine Pluto, but 5.46 orbit.. does it counts? or you consider just the closer orbit? for example a 1.46.. or 2?
    Thank you,
    M.

  26. amiannJenn

    Hey there! What significance would you place on someone’s Juno conjunct my vertex, south node as well as very-widely conjunct my sun (same sign). There is also a near-exact conjunction of his north node to my Eros. I don’t know too much about asteroids and wonder if the intense attraction I am feeling will fizzle as quickly as it came about or if it lasting. There are some other great planet aspects but I am very curious about the ones I listed. Would appreciate some insight!! πŸ™‚

  27. amiannGrace

    I just got into astrology a month ago and find it fascinating. I am curious about the dejanira/nessus aspects

    I have my dejanira conjuct by one degree with my AC line. What does that mean? My nessus is separated from my true node by 7Β° in cΓ‘ncer and in exact opposition to my venus.

    1) What would it mean when my nessus conjuncts his nessus? How does that play out? He has a strong nessus (conjunct with his sun + true node in cancer ). I have my nessus conjunct with my true node. My dejanira is in opposition to his sun and without any other aspects. His dejanira is conjunct with my sun. I wonder if that would mean that he IS an abuser but couldn’t abuse me ??
    Also, our vertexes are conjunct in the same degree. What does that mean?
    Btw… he just got married to a girl whose moon is conjunct with his nessus+sun+true node AND also, her dejanira is conjunct with his moon !!!

    2) I just started going out with a guy, we have good chemistry and just checked our natal charts and see we share amazing aspects except for my dejanira. We have moons in conjunction in gemini; His venus and mars are in conjunction with my venus in Aquarius. I am Sag with rising capricorn and he is Capricorn w/rising Sag. BUT my dejanira is conjunct with his sun by one degree and my dejanira is also in the same degree as my AC πŸ™ What does that mean?
    His nessus is in conjunction with his true node in geminis (in opposition to my uranus and my vesta). Is it relevant? His dejanira is in opposition to his vertex.
    Also, our vertexes are separated only by 7 degrees. This vertex conjunction shows up again like in my previous relationship. What does this conjunction mean in a synastry?

    I am so intrigued!!! Any comments will help.
    Thank you =)

  28. amiannGrace

    Sorry, lol. I am new on this and finding all this information was revealing, so now I will stick to questions about my dejanira and nesuus.

    1) What does it mean to have dejanira 13Β° in conjuction with my ascendant 12Β°? (both in Capricorn)
    2) I just looked for the child asteroid and it is on 28Β° Capricorn, conjuct with my venus 1Β° Aquarius. Then my Nessus is 29Β° Cancer in almost exact opposition with the child asteroid at 28Β° Cap. Also my true node is at 22Β° Cancer close to my nessus (conjunction?) What would that mean?

    I wasn’t abused as a child in any way. But I always have the feeling that people want to abuse/fool me in one way or another and they get surprised when I respond, I constantly need to stand up for myself in any sort of situation, from the cashier in the shop to colleagues at work.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Deja conj ASC may make for victimization as you fo through life

      Child conj Venus is really nice.

      You are childlike in a lovey way.

      I am not able to do more. I am sorry! xxx

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      This may make Nessus and what it means i.e abuse, something that is a deep subject with you and on one which you contemplate. Retro makes one thoughtful, so I do not see it as “bad” as many do. xx

      1. amiannJulia

        Hi πŸ™‚
        In this case Nessuus is retro in conjunction with the North node.
        When you say “one which you contemplate”, do you mean that the person is aware of the abuse tendency and tries to deal with it?
        Does nessus still be working as a tendency to abuse?

        Thank you! X

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          I am having a hard time following your questions, Julia. I am sorry. Nessus conj the NN in synastry would make me RUN and fast lol

          Nessus conj the NN in the natal would be a person who would likely be abusive.

  29. amiannJulia

    Hi Amiann
    I wonder what do you think it would happen when nessus conjuncts nessus in synastry. My guess is that it would be an obsessive relationship where both would try to hurt each other?

  30. amiannShai

    Your posts are starting to scare me now Ami.
    The ex that abused me while I was pregnant had his Nessus conjunct my MC. And my dejanira conjunct his Venus. ?

  31. amiannRven

    What if a man has Dejanira conjunct a woman’s Sun? You example above is only if a woman has Dejanira conjunct a man’s “ASC, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Venus or NN, you will be his victim.” Any feedback on the roles being reversed?

  32. amiannSugar

    I could not agree more with this. Amazingly accurate. My Pluto opposite his Moon. Double whammy of Mars-Uranus in our synastry chart. Ami, no one can describe astrology better than you. I can relate to everything I’ve read from you.

  33. amiannKent

    I read all these comments and yes they are interesting. I have BML in my 1st house in Scorpio along with Venus and Saturn All are in conjunction with BML. All this is square my Moon. Talk about deep dark sexual desires…Tremendous sexual need to control

  34. amiannJos

    I have moon opposition pluto. Yes very passionate.50shades of grey is just childplay. I also have moon trine neptune, venus conjunction chiron snd more aspects to do with empathy. I am very genuine towards others and fairness is must priority in all circumstances including my own critic.hate violence and abuse and stand up against it.

      1. amiannRomina

        Hi
        In my synastry with my boyfriend:

        I have my DEJA conjuncion JUNO in my house 6
        My DEJA in home 6 in opposition to your NESUS in my house 12 to 10 degrees from my ascendant

        Would you help me?

        Thank πŸ™‚

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          I don’t pay that much attention to Deja conj another asteroid. 12 degrees is WAY too much to be conj the ASC, my Friend. It needs to be 3 degrees, tops, so no worries there!

  35. amianncancermoon

    Dear Ami,

    I know somebody whose Moon conjuncts his Dejanira (30 minutes). My Sun and Mercury sandwich this conjunction by four and three degrees. My Fortuna conjuncts precisely his Dejanira and Moon. Can my Fortuna have some healing effect? Or can my Sun hurt the person. Or can both apply?

    I look forward to your reply.

  36. amiannfeather23

    Thanks for your posts Ami. Would you liken moon/pluto dynamics to an 8th house moon overlay? What about a mars 8th house overlay also trining pluto? Would an eighth house overlay make these destructive or strengthen ?

  37. amiannfeather23

    It is a pleasure to be here. I am so thankful to have such a resource like this for guidance. Yes, that is a good way to put it. I always question the role of house overlays and given this topic the 8th house comes to mind. Is it a similar power to the conjunction? Partners switch roles? For example, I am the moon person and my mars also falls in his 8th and much of what you described for moon/pluto conjunction sounds like us. Deep soul love, incredibly painful at times. Sometimes I nurture sometimes he does. my mars is there too though, trining his Scorpio pluto 0.25Β° we have physical heat but plenty of fighting. Even with a trine this 8th house effect enhances both the good and the bad ? I know our feelings are mutually intense but certainly we experience our relationship from different perspectives. We talk about it often (3rd house moon overlay) πŸ˜‰ it’s just a bit overwhelming sometimes like a sweet dream one moment, then an absolute nightmare. would you please shed some light as you see fit?

  38. amiannjeanie

    Hi Ami, I’ve been quietly enjoying your site for years now and am finally reaching out as I’m intrigued by your work on nessus/deja and recently entered into a relationship with someone (not romantic) who I discovered has nessus and mars conj my nn exact. My sun and deja are on his nn. That mars/nessus of his is also square his moon/pluto. It sounds really bad I guess, but this person has given me so much positivity and encouragement and I feel has set me on a positive path. His sun/jupiter/neptune/venus are on my venus/saturn “trouble spot” in scorp. Is there any way this could play out in a positive manner or should I watch my back?

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      Thanks SO much for your kind words. They made my day, Jeanie. There is NO way this will work out well, in my opinion. Please, keep me posted though but, yes, please, be careful, Love!

      1. amiannj

        Ami, hello. Thank you for your reply. I will try to maintain rock solid boundaries and not get led into any weirdness as nothing is amiss yet. But interested to see how things unfold. Will be keeping my wits about me. Thank you again.

  39. amiannT

    I ve met a man who have his mars = my moon (1Β°) in taurus and square my uranus (2Β°) in aquarius.
    He has pholus conjunct dejanira, all on my BML exact.
    How will these aspects play out? Can it be dangerous amiann?

  40. amiannSydney

    Not to be rude, but this is incredibly fatalistic. My mother has her Nessus conjunct my sun and she has it conjunct her own north node, and my Dejanira is conjunct her moon, and there has NEVER been any type of abuse. She has never treated me as less than, and she is extremely giving. This totally depends on someone as a person. Nessus and Dejanira do most certainly not mean abuse. Asteroids and aspects do not control people. All of astrology is neutral. I don’t want people to get the wrong idea and then get scared over a small aspect. The fear can totally destroy someone over something that they read as if it’s fact. Sorry if this came off mean, I just don’t want people to get scared over having one aspect when astrological interpretations are not set in stone.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      You are welcome to your opinion but I stand on what I wrote. I write the truth not to placate people but because the truth is the only thing that heals.

      1. amiannSydney

        It’s completely okay to stand by what you wrote. The issue is telling people that are in healthy relationships or people that are around a couple in a healthy relationship, that those aspects will certainly play out no matter what. That’s not the truth. That’s your opinion. I’m 30 with a mother that is 32 years older than myself and have never experienced any abuse, and I’ve been alive and around my mother long enough to experience it. I’m not saying it is impossible for the aspects to play put for people, because a lot of times, you do see it come into play, but really only when one’s own natal supports that factor with aspects between actual planets. Or rather nessus and dejanira support negative aspects since these are asteroids. I only didn’t like that it’s being portrayed as complete truth that will always occur, when it’s definitely not the case. Making people fear being in relationships over tiny aspects that do not have an incredibly high chance of playing out is not healing to others. It can ruin possible healthy relationships. But I do see this possibly helping people with many bad aspects that could show any possibility of abuse in their own chart already whom have actually been through anything so that this can help them feel validated about past or current pains, but it’s not good to deem things as going to play out in time just because they haven’t yet in a long standing, healthy relationship. That’s fatalistic and leaves the image that the entire rest of the charts and people themselves are completely victim to two asteroids that are being portrayed as always playing out when they really do not always do so. I’m not meaning to argue if it sounds like it, it’s just damaging for ignorant people to come find posts saying that bad asteroids are always going to play out no matter what they do because that leads them to believe that everything in astrology is linear and has only a small set of possibilities that people cannot escape. It gives no leg room, and it’s fearful to people. If I had read this as a 14-16 year old, I would’ve been waiting everyday for my mother to start emotionally, mentally, or physically abusing me, and it would have put me in a constant state of fear because I didn’t know much about astrology or how complex and fluid it is. It would have ruined my relationship with my mother because I would have feared her even though she showed no signs of abuse. I know this is not my website, so I cannot change how you write and it is not my business to dictate how you write. I just want to let people know that things are not as clean cut and set in astrology as it is written sometimes because things that are presented as the only possible, likely truth will make people will fear astrology and the people around them if they look into isolated aspects from small asteroids and planets alike.

        1. amiannamiann Post author

          I get into this discussion a lot with people. The chart shows the TRUTH. If someone does not want to accept the truth, that is their choice, but I, personally, will not do their chart.

          1. amiannSydney

            You do not have to do their chart. I am not asking you to do mine either. I know my life, and what manifests in it. We are to take the blueprint that is given and then do what we want with it. That’s like saying everyone with their own natal mars square pluto aspect makes them destined to be molested. That is most certainly not the truth. Yes, astrology charts do show the truth of ones life, but the issue is that YOUR opinions do not equate the truth. That is what I was saying. We do not have enough information on every aspect, and never will because again, no interpretation is set in stone to be able to tell someone that something is most certainly going to happen. Telling people that something will happen to them because of an aspect is what you in particular FEEL is going to happen, but that is not the truth. Your feelings are not fact. There are many, many possibilities in astrology, even infinite if I’m speaking on the complexity of each person’s chart. The issue is that me disagreeing with you being fatalistic (because what you say is not what always happens, not even 60% of the time because I have nessus/dejanira aspects with most people that are close to me, and I have never been abused or attacked in any of those relationships) does not mean that I’m not accepting the truth. You are not an astrology god that holds the key to the entire truth. You interpret things based off of your own view. Coming from a standpoint of being an archaeologist, we can interpret and theorize things ourselves all we want, but an archaeologist telling a crowd of people that their own interpretation of the past is the TRUTH would not only be incredibly wrong, but it would also be detrimental to people that no nothing about interpreting and analyzing archaeological sites, therefore they would take that persons word even though it is not truth. I think you are insightful, do not get me wrong, but being fatalistic is not the truth, and me saying that being fatalistic is wrong to do and is detrimental to people that don’t know how complex astrology is, does not mean that I am not accepting the truth. I’m not accepting you scaring people into running from possible happy, fulfilling relationships over one aspect that none of us even know how it can manifest in millions of ways. I know this came off a bit more forward, but only because I want to make it clear that one person’s feelings are not fact. It is opinion, not truth. It will not heal anyone to tell them that they are wrong when they say that their relationship is healthy and happy even though they have an aspect that you think is destined to be unhealthy.

          2. amiannamiann Post author

            Most Astrologers don’t tell things straight like I do. I am for the stark, bare truth cuz that is what heals. If that does not float your boat, feel free not to read.

  41. amiannFree

    Sydney, you are amazing. I admire your wisdom. Your analysis is lovely. Hats off to your courage. I agree with Sydney.

    Ami is an insightful astrology. But, I will take sides with Sydney on this issue. No point living in fear for aspects that may not play out.

    1. amiannamiann Post author

      I know there are astrologers who make every aspect “positive” but I don’t think that is real and real is what heals and real is what gets people mad at you too lol

      1. amiannSydney

        Thank you a bunch for being so sweet Free~ πŸ™‚ I do agree that Ami is quite insightful, however I would like to chime in and say that I do not make every aspect “positive” I make every aspect neutral because the stars and planets are not going to tell you something is bad or make something bad. It is real to be neutral. I am not mad, I am correcting you for instilling fear in people with your claim to “truth”. The planets, asteroids, and stars do not cause only one particular outcome. There are millions of possible outcomes, and none should be claimed as the truth. Those interpretations CAN happen, but they are not destined to. It is not good to have a base level view on what will happen with one isolated aspect. You can think that I’m mad that what you’re saying is real all you want, but the only thing that bothered me is your fatalistic outlook and claim of truth that is actually not real. Again, telling people to get out of or stay out of relationships with an aspect that you in particular think will cause them harm is not healing in any aspect of the word.

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