This is a purely amazing subject.I am talking from my own personal experience, as well as the many charts I have done. Chiron is a weird-o. If I see Chiron coming in synastry, I hold my breath. Chiron will usually follow the same path, such that I know what he is up to, by now. I will try to explain what I have observed with Chiron in synastry. Please, add any comments yea or nay, as always. The planet person,usually, comes to the Chiron person for healing. The myth of Chiron is that of the wounded healer. Chiron can heal others from his wound, but he can never heal, himself. It is a sad story, as are most of the myths. However, the myths ring true . That is why they are so poignant.
In one chart, the mother’s Aqua Sun and mercury were an exact conjunction with the daughters Chiron. True to the myth, the mother wanted the daughter to parent her, guide her, and heal her. The daughter was a child and unable . The mother was very angry, as she thought it was her due, from being a mother. The relationship between mother and daughter was very hard. Ultimately, as happens with most Chiron relationships, it was too painful and broke apart to nothingness.
In another relationship between two girlfriends, they got close very fast, as is the case with Chiron. They felt they had found their best friend. It was wonderfully close, for as long as it lasted. There was an unusual depth and connection. There seems to be a loyalty,too. While the Chiron relationship lasts, it can be very positive. It can fill a void for each person. It can provide an intense connection which acts for the good of both people. In other words, it can be very positive while it lasts. However, when it breaks apart, that can be expected. When that happens, one must celebrate what was and let the person go. In the latter, it was an exact Venus/ Chiron conjunction in synastry.
Another example is a platonic male/female relationship. His mars was conjunct her Chiron. Again, they got very close, very fast. It was wonderfully healing, for as long as it lasted. Then, there was a small misunderstanding and it split apart, as fast as it had come together.
The strangest one was between two girlfriends.One girl’s Nessus was conjunct the other’s Chiron. The strangeness of the aspect, exactly, mirrored the strangeness of the relationship, from beginning to end. They started off as close friends. Then, they became bitter enemies. Then, they became very close, in the best friends way that is classic with Chiron. Then, the split apart over a small misunderstanding which was impossible to resolve, even though it should have been easy. The Nessus/ Chiron one was the strangest in that the Chiron person dropped off the face of the earth to the Nessus person, who had been her closest friend, just before. However, due to the intensity of each planet/ asteroid, one would expect such a bizarre course of events.
I will mention the North Node and Chiron, here., even though I talked about it in a separate article.This one must be stated, as Chiron will become the theme of the relationship. If a married couple has one person’s Chiron conjunct another’s North Node, there will be a pain theme in the relationship. Chiron, by nature, cannot heal. As such, there will be an open wound as the core of the relationship. This is very sad.
I have guidelines for any Chiron relationships. One must give a lot of space to each other, if the relationship is to last. Can it last? I don’t know . I know that NN/ Chiron can last, but one will be well versed in pain, as a result.
A wonderful Astrologer, Ceridwen, , just added this. It was too marvelous, not to share.
Yes, Chiron is strange.
But in a strange way it is also deep soulstuff, I find that it renders someone completely vulnerable. As if you had shed every protective skin, and you can only hope the other one will not hurt you so much, that it might destroy you. Sort of like your core lies totally open, and you don`t have any kind of defenses.
Thank you, Ceri!
Hello again – Here’s another subject close to my heart, seeing as how my husband and I share several exact Chiron conjunctions (none to our Nodes). I relate to what both you and Ceridwen shared – that with our vulnerabilities exposed there’s bound to be a certain amount of pain, but also the *potential* for a great deal of healing . . . *if* we’re willing to patiently work through our defensive layers and not give in to the human temptation to use the weaknesses of the other as weapons against them. Or to reject them because their woundedness reminds us of our own human frailty. I think what often happens is that after the initial attraction wears off, we realize these aren’t light-weight contacts. Plus, no one person can be solely responsible for healing another; we have to be willing participants in our own personal evolution.
Chiron doesn’t always like to be touched, let alone acknowledge its vulnerability – maybe that explains why some of these relationships end suddenly (or too much Uranus, not enough Saturn?). Not everyone resonates with what Chiron is trying to teach us; denial can be a very powerful and effective defense mechanism which stops us from revealing and accepting our own soft underbelly. For those of us who do resonate, sometimes our Chiron-Return brings greater clarity and acceptance.
After almost 25 years together, my husband and I may not have found a *cure*, but we have found healing. Maybe it helps that we both share similar generational natal aspects to our Chiron placements, which are both in Aquarius, the sign of the outcast.
As an aside, I’ve noticed that the natal planet person often acts as a catalyst for facilitating the healing the natal Chiron person unconsciously seeks. Then the healing relationship becomes mutual since in showing compassion for the “Other”, the wound of the Chiron person is transformed. And sometimes, once the goal is accomplished, the relationship ends – if that was its sole purpose.
Please feel free to leave this comment unposted, Ami; I think my comment may be longer than your post – yikes! I really only wanted to share all this since you said you enjoyed talking astrology. Me too. Especially when the discussion helps to encourage spiritual growth and integrity.
It is NOT too long, LB. I encourage discussion on my website. It is my outreach to anyone who finds value in it, from any standpoint.. Thank you for your comments. Please, continue to talk about anything that sparks your interest. Chiron can be a healer, for sure. I am glad you found healing with your husband. That is what it is all about!
What a gorgeous article and thoughtful and healing reply. And it’s amazing for us to hear that Chiron contacts can stay together. Thank you!
Thank you, Anna dear. Yes, one makes the choice what one will do with the chart. The chart outlines the skeleton of the relationship. One chooses one’s usage of the chart! xx
I have found Chirons have deep incite into human nature.
They may not recall your name , but they know ‘ WHAT ‘ you are.
Probably best to have them in easy alignment in synestry.Trines, sextile …. I think the conjunction can be a 2 edged sword. There’s potential for healing or wound ing taking on the flavor of the personal planet involved.Chirons are forthright they make good material witnesses , because they describe the ‘ actual ‘ event that occoured . Chirons on my n.node in synestry. have had a cruel streek with me.I have a hard time trusting them and forgiving them.
Like all the planets though there is a yin and a yang. ( you can’t heal a wound if there is none. )
My Mars squares his Chiron
My Chiron sextiles his Venus
My Chiron trines his Saturn
My Chiron trines his Pluto
My Chiron quinquixes his Mars
my Chiron opposes his Neptune
Is it too much Chiron?
We. Are not dating. His Venus trines my Uranus. My Venus is conjunct his Jupiter. His Venus sextiles my Mercury. My Venus sesxtiles his sun. There’s also alot of Saturn. He was hot in the beginning but was not single so I didn’t entertain the connection. We are much older now , both single and I’m drawn to him. The feelings don’t seem mutual.
Thoughts?
I would have to do a chart for you on this. We need to really see a lot before we can come to a conclusion.
Mmmm, what about my Chiron in partner’s 7th house (in synastry). Could I be brining him healing in some way…. (my chiron is in Taurus )
Well Jenny, I think to look at more detail than just a House placement. I am glad you are reading and asking questions. Keep em coming 🙂
I have Chiron in Aries conjunct a guys Sun, Mercury and Mars
His Chiron In Taurus is conjnct my South Node.
How will this play out? I hope someone can answer this because i feel i have some strange connection to him but still not sure what it is? Thanks.
Hi Glittergirl
Your Chiron conjunct his Sun, merc and mars and his Chiron conj your SN. This is my opinion and others may differ but I will tell you mine, straight out. You may get really close, really fast. Then, some small disagreement could happen and you will break apart as fast as you got close. You will not be able to get close again, no matter how hard you try. This is my opinion and my experience. However, I may be wrong xx
I have many articles on Chiron in synastry. Take a look and tell me what you think 😀
Hi Amiann, thanks for the reply! You are right about one thing me and this guy are not close at all now. Infact i can’t even call it a friendship because it just feels really shallow now. Basically i haven’t gone along with how this guy wanted to play me so now he’s punishing me by not talking to me properly, its just really shallow now even though i thought there was an connection there at the start. I am the chiron person but i feel he is the one who does not want to engage in a conversation with me because he can’t manipulate me the way he wants to.
You are welcome, Glittergirl. Come and sign up on my Forum, if you would like. It is free and I, and other lovers of Astrology, can kick around things. Come and put your chart in my Personal Readings section! xx
Hi Everyone! just wanted to share my story. Im no expert when it comes to astrology but I find it very intriguing. My 11th house sun (also my chart ruler) 19Gemini50 is nearly exact conjunct my boyfriends 9th house chiron at 19Gemini40. We met in March of 1999, and we bonded almost immediately. When I saw him I just knew he was mine! But there was a big problem. He was a heroin addict and had been for nearly 5 years! When I found out it was devastating to me. It was as if my soul recognized him and was traumatized by the pain he was in, and at a complete loss as to what to do. Now I know you’ve been saying that the planet person is looking to be healed, but I think it was the reverse in our circumstances. Its been a long hard road, and our relationship is rocky at the moment (though we do have a composite moon trine saturn, so we”ll see what happens) but he is currently a little over 2 years sober which is a feat for opiate addicts since there is such a large relapse rate. Sometimes I jokingly say that the day he met me was the luckiest day of his life, but I truly believe if we had never met that he’s still be using or dead.
WOW Keepingfaith
Chiron can be a glue but with a great deal of pain. Consider coming on my Forum where you can put up your charts and we will look at them and discuss them. I am so glad for yours and his great progress. That is beautiful and may God bless and keep you both. Hope to see you on my Forum, dear one!
Oh also, my pluto conjunct his ascendant in his first house probably also played a big part!
Yes, that is super powerful. YOU were the source of transformation for him. That is exactly what Pluto does lol
Hello. any words in jupiter conjuct chiron in synastry? Thanks
Interesting about that one. I have not seen it, but I would have to think about how to speculate on it. Why don’t you tell me about it, so I can learn 😀
hi amiann thanks for the posts on chiron synastry.
i have a relationship synastry where both chirons and males venus on females ascendant conjunct- all opposite male pluto.
how do you think this could play out?…..:-)
Can you list these aspects as I am having a hard tome following what you mean. Come and join my Forum and you can post the charts!
Thank you for your kind comments, too!
hi amiann thanks for the chiron post!!
i have a relationship synastry where both chirons conjunct eachother conjunct male venus conjunct female ascendant opposite male pluto…….
……..how do you think this will play out?
🙂
Hmm, if you were born close in time, the Chirons will conjunct and it won’t be a big deal. However, when you get personal planets like Venus and personal angles like the ASC, it will. I can’t quite get the whole picture from words. You can come and put up your chart, in my Forum. However, just some thoughts. Chiron conj Venus will bring pain with love. This is not good for long term. For short term, it will be super intense and passionate. You will feel like you found your best friend but these relationships seem to start and end suddenly and never seem to get back, once they end. Chiron conj the ASC would be super bad, basically. The Chiron person brings pain to one of the most sensitive places of the ASC person. The ASC person will feel this plain in a very, personal, close and present way. I would not think this relationship would last imho
Great article! Could you clarify who usually ends the relationship, the planet person or the chiron person. Also, what if the synastry only has flowing aspects to the planet in this conjunction to the chiron? I’m also curious to know what you may have observed when chiron is aspected in other ways in a synastry. Have you come across any charts with mutual aspects (not necessarily conjunctions) to each other’s chirons when the chirons weren’t conjunct? Please share any additional observations you may have had since you wrote this article. Thanks!
Thanks Jkitty
It is funny that you mention other aspects to Chiron in synastry because I feel compelled to watchc for this( before you mentioned it) It hit me that I don’t watch for Chiron aspects in synastry and I need to. I, also, need to pay more attention to Chiron aspects in the natal. Astro.com does not put aspect lines for Chiron unless you request it, so I overlooked it.
Who leaves first–the Chiron or planet person?
Chiron relationships seem to implode in a strange way. They seem to get really, really close fast. Then, they break up over some little nothing. It seems that you cannot repair them. This has been my experience, both personal and from seeing other people via charts. Chiron conjunct the NN seems different though. That can stay for the life of a marriage, for example. The NN aspects in synastry define the relationship. However, they do not seem to break up the relationship. Why? I don’t know. They seem like almost an ambient guidepost, as if they function at a different level than more “active” aspects. I don’t know if this makes sense. I think the NN is a quite different point than planetary aspects.
Thanks for your prompt reply. I had an interesting thought this morning about Chiron being the “wounded healer” and associated this with Jesus Christ, the ultimate “wounded healer”. Maybe that’s just because Chiron in Pisces in my chart makes it’s strongest connections trine my 9th house Mars and conjunct my 5th house Mercury. I don’t like to take a fatalistic view in astrology and believe we still have a tremendous amount of choice within the parameters of our chart on how we use those energies. If I take my Chiron wound to Jesus, He CAN heal it in me and I can still bring healing to others without being stuck in perpetual pain.
Having Chiron in my 5th house has been very interesting in itself. I’m definately a creative person with much interest and involvement in the arts and training in ballet and voice. The “wound” for me is a sense of inadequacy because I’ve got the “wrong” body type to be a professional ballet dancer and a substantial amount of hearing loss which makes me feel insecure vocally, though I’ve sung on stage as well. It took people ASKING me to perform solos (dance or singing) in their stage productions to get me performing in public. I cherish the “helpers alongside” that God brought into my life since I became a Christian many years ago. Interestingly, the people who invite me to perform are also Christians, though most of the performances have been for secular audiences. So here is one example of how a 5th house Chiron can work.
If I take my Chiron wound to Jesus, He CAN heal it in me and I can still bring healing to others without being stuck in perpetual pain.
Totally!
Having Chiron in my 5th house has been very interesting in itself. I
Yes, you may! You might also be interested to know that I’m still in contact with these people who have been my “helpers alongside” for about 10 years now, so maybe not all Chiron contacts end up breaking up if the energy is used right. Admittedly, the contacts are sporatic and unpredictable, but the relationships are by no means ended.
Interesting about the Chiron contacts. Maybe, the breakups are for romantic relationships and super close friendships. That has been my personal experience, anyway. Come and join my Forum and you can out up your chart!
I had several (short-lived and karmic) relationships in the past with Chiron aspects, never conjunction. I didnt pay attention to Chiron then. Some years ago I had a platonic relationship (my Aries Chiron conjuncted his Aries Venus) and then I noticed the magic of Chiron-Venus contacts. We talked maybe once in 3 months, but he always looked back when we said good bye.
Last year something developed really fast with a man I have Chiron-Venus DW with (my Aries Chiron conjuncts his Aries Venus and his Aqua Chiron squares my Scorpio Venus). My Chiron makes good aspects to his others planets, too. We have Chiron-Saturn square DW as well. His Aqua Chiron sits exactly (0 degree) on my Aqua NN. My Aries Chiron conjuncts (more widely) his SN-Venus conjunction. Im intrigued by Chiron/NN/SN.
We got close fast, he opened up to me and we shared emotional intimacy. Then started the pain. It feels like we cant be in each other’s presence, it is too painful. We seem to hit innocently each other’s soft spots. He started avoiding me, I brought it up, he denied the whole connection… he shut down, fortunately not completely. Ego battles… I promised myself to keep my ego in watch at his presence, but it feels like he shoots me down and I have to defend myself like a wounded animal.
It s definitely a soul challenge and an ego lesson. The feeling of love is overwhelming with Chiron/Venus. And we are drawn to each other in spite of the pain. He always comes back.
Wow Great comment. So, does your Venus/Chiron always come back? That has not been my personal experience. For me, once it breaks, it is gone.
Yes, first i saw him every 6 weeks, now the intervals have been shorter. He comes back to connect. With him I dont feel the separation pain so much like in previous (karmic) rel.ships, maybe because I feel that he will be in my life (a long time). We share a Saturn-Sun DW (conjunction and sextile). Lots of DWs. It feels like a mirror spirit rel.ship.
He must come back due to the Saturn. Without this, the Chiron relationships seem to end for good, in my experience.
Hello AmiAnn,
I’ve been studying Chiron and came across this post. My SO’s Chiron is bi-quintile my Venus. My Venus is in the 1st house in Leo, his Chiron is Aries in the 1st house. Also, my 9th house Chiron in Aries is bi-quintile his 9th house Jupiter in Scorpio. Can you help me understand what this means?
Also, I have another friend whose 11th house Chiron in Taurus is quintile my 12th house SN in Cancer? Does this mean one day we’ll get mad at each other and eventually stomp off or that pain will be a recurring theme in our interaction?
Thanks!!
I will look tomorrow, Ronni dear. You name reminds me of a traditional Jewish song and dance.
A man I’m getting close to has Pluto in Virgo opposite Jupiter conj chiron conj pof…his pluto conj my Asc and Jupiter/chiron/ pof is on the Dsc….eek, I’m scared but am moth drawn to flame…
Pluto conj the ASC feels like you are weak in the knees, Zoe. Wow, he brings you joy and pain( Jup and Chiron) I bet it feels like you can’t resist lol
Ami what of chiron conj chiron? His falls in my 8th house, I’d that sex u all healing? Mine falls in his 12.
Hi Gypsee!
People belong close in time can have Chiron conj Chiron. I don’t really look at Chiron’s house in an overlay in that way. Everything in the chart matters but I weigh close conjunctions the most, close other aspects etc. What you are talking about is a finer point that could be looked at at the end of the chart reading but I would not make a doctrine of it, so to speak
Hi Amy! First off I love all of your articles. Very insightful.
My boyfriend’s Chiron is conjunct my SN in Taurus. Does this mean I hold things against him and don’t forget his past hurt towards me? If not would you please explain what it does mean? 🙂
Thanks so very much, Frankie! I am delighted to have you here. He brings you pain in very deep places and the pain feels familiar as if it is a BIG part of who you and he are together.
a guy i am hopelessly in love with has his chiron exactly conjunct my asc, conjunct my pluto 1degree, square my mars 1degree, and sextile my neptune and uranus 2degrees.
nothing has happened between us, but i adore him! what do you think these aspects would bring if we got together? pain i imagine, after what i’ve read on chiron 🙁
I would not want Chiron conj the ASC because the person may bring you pain.
Hi,
My Part of Fortune is in very tight conjuction with his Chiron (in Taurus – in my 8th house). I’m not too sure how too interpret this… Could my presence in his life help his healing? Would you think my POF is impacted by his Chiron while he is in my life? His Chiron(and my POF) are also very tight sextile to my sun and tight square to my moon (minor and looser aspects too with other of my planets and AC/MC but that might be too much to write down here…). Any insight on this?
Thank you!
Hi Madeline
I really mot sure about this. If you want to research the POF and bring back info, we can try to work it out together.
Hello how about chiron conjunct ceres in synastry thank you
WOW This would be one person bringing pain and the other one bringing unconditional love, Carina. We would have to see the rest of the chart to make a judgement of how it would play out, though.
I know this thread is years old, but I’m kind of in a bit of a panic right now as I’m due to have a son I’m December. My moon is in Pisces and his Chiron will be in Pisces as well. I am so devastated to think I may be the cause of emotional harm to him. It has me so depressed right now, I am in tears. Please tell me that there is something positive about this aspect. I feel sick from worry.
Many family members have chiron aspects. I had them with both of my sons and we had very loving relationships. Relax, Mama xxx
Thank you! It looks like I don’t know as much about astrology as I thought I did.
Family is different than a relationship of friends or partners Becca, cuz we stay together(hopefully) through life.Chiron does not have to ruin a family relationship but to be close, one does need good moon aspects but don’t panic,please xxx
Any advice on how to get over Chiron conjunctions?
My Chiron conjunct HIS Sun and Venus (cancer), HIS Chiron conjunct my moon and Venus (pisces). All tight conjunctions, less than 3 degrees.
It’s been months since I first met him, and we instantly had this connection. We haven’t talked or seen each other in a while, like we’ve never met. But I haven’t stopped thinking about him, even if we’ll never see each other again, theres this painful hope. I dont know how it is for him, but for me it’s PAIN and longing (curse chiron!). Please help.
Hey Ami! I love your website!!!! It’s so informative!!’ Anyway what do you think about a tight dw Chiron-Valentine Opposition. His Valentine is at 12 degrees Sag with my Chiron is at 11 degrees Gemini, while my Valentine is at 17 Sco with his Chiron at 16 Taurus.
Thank you Kat!. You made my day <3
I met this guy we have his chiron conjunct my NN and his Jupiter conjunct my Chiron. What you think this relationship will bring me pain?
A million times YES. Make sure the orbs are close. Never fool around with Chiron conj the NN in marriage, for example
Hi! I have this double-whammy with a guy:
My Chiron square his Moon
His Chiron conjunct my Moon
First time he saw me, he couldn’t stop looking at me. And I kind of have good feelings towards him at the beggining but then something happened and now I have mixed feelings (love/hate) please could you tell me what does those aspects mean?
Yes, these strong Chiron relationships start super close and bonded and then seem to break apart over something small, my Friend
Hi Ami, We were born 47 hours apart. My Chiron Sextile his Ascendant. What does it mean? Thank you Ami.
You may be able to help him deal with his life pain. This is a nice aspect, S
Thank you so much, Ami! Love you a lot! I will contact you about an astrological chart. Hugs…
Hi Ami, I have a heavy Chiron synastry with my beautiful 5-year-old son, & am so worried about what this means. It’s his Pisces Chiron (in the 11th house) on my planets in each instance. We have Chiron conjunct Sun (1 degree orb), Chiron trine Pluto (3 degree orb), Chiron sextile Moon (exactly 1 degree), & Chiron sextile Jupiter (1 degree orb). Does this mean that I will wound him & our relationship will be a strained one? Can Chiron ever symbolise healing between family members (and if so, in what instances)? A bit of background – he is slightly on the spectrum, though he used to be very obviously on it until I did a gut healing protocol with him (which then led me to heal my own autoimmune disease of the gut in the same way) – so that’s healing we have experienced together. People comment that he is like a different child since we did this, & it was a hard road. Unfortunately his father & I (very much unavoidably) separated last year & he has of course been upset & confused by it – so that’s pain we are now experiencing together. I worry that he’ll resent me for leaving, not understanding that his father was emotionally abusing me for years & I was crumbling. He is the light of my life.
Whose Chiron conj whose Sun, Evie. Chiron in soft aspect is not too bad either like the trines and sextiles.
It’s my son’s Chiron that is conjunct my Sun. Also it’s his Chiron trine my Pluto, and his Chiron sextile my Moon & Jupiter. Does this mean that I wound him, or that he heals me? Or am I just reading far too much in to things due to difficult circumstances?
Well, The planet seems to come to the Chiron for healing. In families, you see what you have very often. I had it with my children and we were very close
Thanks Ami, i’m relieved to hear that it’s common in families. We are also very close.
Yea, Evie, Chiron seems to be very common in families.
Hi thank you for the article. What if a person’s Chiron doesn’t aspect any planets in synastry? what if it’s just present in someone’s house? for instance my Chiron is in someone’s 8th house but does not aspect any planets.
You and he may not understand each other’s pain.The Unaspected planet makes for lack of understanding in the realm of the planet, which is pain in the case of Chiron and Wwlcom Lamb!
I have Chiron exact conjunct my Sun, same degree. So I suppose any synastry that involves my Sun will bring pain to be and the other party?
I’m seeing someone who has their North Node exact conjunct that point. I feel the urge to heal and care for them. Does there necessarily have to be pain? Perhaps pain in the service of healing is ok…
Also my North Node is conjunct their Midheaven. Any thoughts?
Your purpose has something to do with her career and/or her place in society.
Hi I hope this thread is still active. I did a compatability chart with a man who I have had frequent dreams about. In regards to Chiron, we had the following: my Pluto quincunx his Chiron. My Chiron sextile his sun and my Chiron opposite his Chiron. Our chart from what I can tell has a lot of themes of failed and destiny attached to it. There’s a lot saying we will have a instantaneous magnetic attraction and stability but then there seems to contradiction in regards to longevity. What do you make of the Chiron activity? Many thanks!
*my Chiron opposite his neptune*
Hello,
Thanks for the article. In synastry, my Chiron is exactly conjunct his priapus. Would this be considered a total deal breaker, or could it maybe be interpreted as a sexual healing type of situation? I haven’t been able to find information on this anywhere, and I would very much appreciate hearing your thoughts. Thank you!
What is priapus? I don’t
use that one.
Priapus (h22): compulsive desire to merge physically and totally, great physical attraction and desire
(from Leeloo’s Esotericorner)
Well, this is a small aspect in a chart with thousands of aspects but it could mean emotional pain with sex BUT as I said, you have to be careful with asteroids cuz there are so many and you can go crazy or make judgements on small things, my Friend
Or perhaps even healing of emotional pain w/ sex? Eternal optimist here! :o) Thanks again for your insight! Much appreciated!
Chiron makes relationships unstable. They get close fast and end in a strange fast way BUT this one aspect is prolly not big enough to do that, Jen and you are most welcome!
How about Chiron conjunct/sextile Midheaven DW?
The Chiron conj the MC would be bad. The chiron person would bring pain to the MC person and other people would see it due to the MC angle being a public angle. The Chiron sextile the MC would not be something big.
Hello, thanks for this read. You said that in a NN/chiron contact (conjunction in our case), one person will be well versed in pain, did you mean that it could be either of the two, or were you referring to the chiron person? I am the NN person, and had read about this and assumed that I was one who would have to deal with pain in this contact, but my partner funnily enough recently posted an elaborate philosophical post about pain and I was curious to know what you meant exactly.. We do indeed have a very volatile but deeply intense relationship. Thanks 🙂
Hello
I have a friend who started a relationship with a female that started very very quickly and I had assumed it was the strong pluto aspects – his pluto opposite her venus mars conjunction, they both had recently ended relationships and this is healing for them both, but I see they have her chiron conjunct his mercury, venus & saturn + opposite jupiter & neptune. They seem so mismatched.
How long does it take to play out?
thank you )
Great question, Mal. In fact, there is someone in my life that I would love to get close to but I am holding back cuz I know it will be a Chiron relationship—-get super close really fast and break up over nothing. How long does it take? Not very long usually but the countdown BEGINS once people get really close, like soul mate close. I think if a person holds back you can keep the relationship.
Thank you so much Amiann for replying.
He is rather contained emotionally so this may work for them, but I feel those pluto eruptions may present themselves also.
I have seen his temper, its ugly, fierce and hurtful…
Thanks for your website and blog, I really like the way you write and express yourself.
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I have this with someone. We both are Sun/Chirons and both of our Suns are conjunct the other’s Venus.
We also have Composite Vertex conjunct DC.
We have a Composite Sun/Merc/Venus/Chiron and Composite Moon conjunct Pluto.
My Sun is conjunct his SN and exact on his DC.
We have a composite yod pointing to apex Venus (base of Moon/Pluto and Neptune).
It has been painful, and obsessive for us both. He has helped me a lot though, and I believe I have helped him.
He recently started talking to me again after 3-4 months of not talking.
I would love for this to work out, but don’t have the drive to get involved short of seeing that to be possible.
It’s definitely healing in some ways and stirring up of past stuff in others – to heal it, I imagine.
We also have his Nessus conjunct my ASC and my Dejaneira conjunct his ASC. His Juno conjunct my NN. This man has actually saved my life, paying for an IV for a chronic illness insurance does not currently cover. I can’t say it was all bad, but it was obsessive and jealous and confusing.
I have my chiron conjunct sun in my 9th house. My diance has chiron conjunct true node in his eighth. Our chirons are conjunct in ojr synastry chart. He killed himself last year. This is a dangerous combination but the most beautiful thing ive ever seen.
I am so sorry, Memphis!
Could you please explain a little bit the opposition(exact orb) of sun and chiron in synastry?
There is also a chiron trine sun (2 deg orb) and a moon trine chiron(4 deg).
Any thoughts on Chiron conjunct the partner’s Descendant? I’m just not sure how that would play out.
Also, my Chiron is conjunct her North Node, but that’s more obvious how that one works. We’ve got a very spiritual connection with both of our Jupiter and Venus placements in our natal 12th houses. She’s a Capricorn rising with Saturn conjunct the Sun, while I’m a Sagi rising with Jupiter conjunct my sun and Venus, and both those stelliums are between 15º and 20º Scorpio, so we have a very intense connection.
Chiron/DSC. The Chiron person would bring a lot of pain to the relationship. Welcome G!
I found this to be very interesting. I’m learning about synastry, and looking at mine and my friend’s chart, well, she’s the woman who is now my friend after leading my yoga teacher training.
Her Ceres is conjunct with my Chiron at 3 degrees Gemini.
During the time that I’ve known her, and during the training, she admitted to me that she “didn’t know why, but normally she doesn’t let anyone mother her, care for her, feed her… but it felt right for me to, which I naturally did with her.” She would often forget to eat, or in general look after herself. I felt a strong need to care and nurture her in that way. I would pack extra home-cooked food before leaving for the training day each week in case she didn’t bring any for herself from being so focused on being prepared for the training itself.
That is so sweet, Susan. I do yoga too. Tell me about your experience with it. I want to ask you a question about that deep breathing in which you roll up the diaphram(sp) Do you know about that one. What is its yoga name and I would love to ask you a few questions about it
Hi,
What would Pallas conjunct Chiron in synastry mean? It is 27 degrees Pisces. It falls in my 5th house and his 10th.
And I meant to say that I’m the Chiron person and he is the Pallas person.
The Pallas person may try to help the Chiron person.It is a rather small aspect though. This would not hurt the relationship like a Chiron/planet conjunction would, Molly.
Just noticed that my daughter’s Jupiter is conjunct my Chiron/North Node conjunction. She is the hard-won joy borne out of past pain. Beautiful to notice this!
Thank you for sharing Tiger!
Recently, I examined my chiron aspects in synastry with this particular guy. And I found out that all his planets (including nn and sn) had aspects to my Chiron.
My chiron biquintile his Sun 0 orb,
Trine his moon with 0 orb,
Trine his mercury 7 orb,
Opposition his venus 4 orb,
Sextile his mars 5 orb,
Trine his jupiter 6 orb,
Sesquiquadrate his saturn 0 orb,
Square his uranus 2 orb,
Trine his neptune 1 orb,
Square his northnode and southnode 4 orb.
What does it mean?
You can choose 2 and I will try to help, my Friend
Hi there,
Thank you for the article. I think Chiron is very important if it’s highlighted in someone’s chart.
In stnastry, my Saturn is conjuncting his Chiron which is in his 7th house close to the descendant. He has in his natal chart Sun opp Chiron and I have Sun square Chiron natally so yes our sun’s and Chiron’s are making a square. We are not together anymore. He left abruptly, even though it was me who wanted to end it cos i wanted or expected more responsibility from him (saturn falling in his 7th house), he just disappeared from my life with no answer to my calls and messages. I feel that he felt hurt or offended, wounded, unworthy.
It is sad but i think maybe because he didn’t even go through his first Saturn return he is not able to handle all this heavy stuff i was consciously and unconsciously putting on him.
Any thoughts on this any one ?
This aspect will ruin a relationship–I think, my Friend.
Hi there,
I often revisit the synastry chart of my first love and my own because we keep coming into each others lives. It seems no matter how many people we date, or how we try to move on, something brings us right back to each other. No matter the time or space, we are never far from one another’s mind. We share a number of favorable aspects, like a moon conjunction, sun and ascendant conjunction and Venus Mars tribe one way and square the other, but what has most recently caught my eye is all of the Chiron aspects we have. It never occurred to me to look at those before. I discovered that my Chiron aspects his Jupiter (square), Saturn (trine), Uranus (opposition), Pluto (Semi sextile), Chiron (conjunction), Ascendant (opposition) and MC (Square).
His Chiron also aspects several of my planets. His Chiron trines my sun, squares my Venus and opposes my Saturn.
I’m reaching out because this seems like an awful lot of Chiron contacts and I’m wondering if that holds meaning. Perhaps it is the reason we just can’t let each other go after all these years.
I would love to hear what your opinion is on this. I know I gave a lot of info—hopefully not too much.
Thanks,
Kate
For these deep and kind of global questions, you really need to have a chart done. You need to see the whole chart to answer big questions, my Friend
Is there anything that can be said for having such an abundance of Chiron contacts in general?
Chiron is pain so the more Chiron, the more pain. However, every chart has a lot of pain. I have not seen one that does not. However, the pain differs
So Chiron conjuncting another person’s asteroid in synastry is just as pertinent as personal Planets? If one person’s Chiron conjuncted the other person’s Sado does that mean the Chiron person will supercede the other person’s Sado or heal it?
NO it will be hell really. If healing does happen, the pain prolly won’t be worth it but these things have to be close 1-3
I have the Nessus conjunct Chiron with my closest cousin — she’s the Nessus. She used to tease me and emotionally hurt me to no end, and I would always forgive her and always looked up to her and tried to please her (my Natal Retrograde Venus is like 2 degrees from her Aries Ascendant). When we got older I think her venus trine my Chiron kicked in, plus her moon/jupiter/saturn conjunction on my descendant, and like I tell her everything, and she tells me everything. Plus that conjunction conjuncts my Alma. We are so close now, and she’s like the big sister I never had, always wishing the best for me and taking care of me.
That is interesting,V but I would never really trust her too much though because she still may abuse you in your deepest core.
What about Chiron conjunct ceres in composite exact?
Someone who is supposed to give you unconditional love has given you great pain.
For both people since it’s in a composite? Who’s giving who pain?
In a Comp,it is a theme that pain comes with love–not good at all
I have my Lilith on my daughter’s Chiron, so conjuncting. In Pisces…in the 8 th house. Her Neptune conjunct my moon in 8th house as well and strangely her Venus is on my MC, in Aries.
How can we heal each other, not hurt each other more importantly? we’re very close, but i always have that feeling that she’s an old soul guiding me….she has so many metaphysical questions, we have these deep beyond her years convos that shes desnt have AT ALL with her father. He even thknks we have 2 versions to our duagter, one when she’s with me and one , more reserved, rationnaland serious, when she’s with him. Sometimes i think that im over sensitive, but again she’ll open up only some times, a flow of emotions and only with me.
I want to protect her at all cost and i wish for her to be able to show her emotional side without shame, she does when she feels it is safe, like at bedtime but only with me.
My daughter is my life, love of my life.
Thank you.
I have to be honest. The charts play out and people really can’t control them. Of course, you will do your best to help you and love her but be aware that there are things you really can’t alter. xxx