I like to make Asteroids practical. What good does it do one if Asteroids are so esoteric that only politically correct people can discuss them as they polish their ersatz halos. I find myself exiting fast from asteroid conversations like this. It seems these people want to show how enlightened they are. I have no patience for this buffoonery. If something is not practical, I have no desire to discuss it like a cow chewing his cud.
Proserpina conjunct the ASC or MC will be in the chart of a person with a very hard rite of passage from childhood to adulthood. One person realized the person he thought was his father was not. The rites of passage will have something traumatic like this.
Proserpina, herself, was kidnapped and taken into the underworld , the realm of darkness. Her mother Ceres traveled the globe looking for her. In the above case, the child was adored by his mother, as well. I regret that I have not seen many charts with Proserpina conjunct the ASC or MC( or other places)
With asteroids, one must be on a continual search to see how they work in the charts. If you have a prominent Proserpina, write and tell me your story.
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Hi Ami,
Bingo again.
As i was reading the article i suspected i might find something in my son’s chart. Because i already know my currently 4 year old son will have a tough right of passage when he learns the truth about his father. His trickster father abandoned him (and me) when he was a baby and denied that it was his child. I plan to tell my son the whole story when he turns about 14 (mature enough to understand)
So I ran his chart with asteroid proserpina (number 26) included.
Now guess where Proserpina is in his chart; Conjunct DC by less than 2 degrees!
WOW That gave me the chills, Marion. Thank you for sharing that and I am very sorry he and you had to go through that! xx
BTW, my story also includes a part where i was compelled to be seperated from my son when he was a baby. This was in order to travel to butt crack locations of the world to get a birth certificate and other papers for him; to fight for his birth rights.
Wow these asteroids are right on. Each person has a few, only. They are very much personalized to each chart.
On a side note, how does Prosperpina work in synastry. I see some connections to Vesta here.
I have heard that Vesta is an asteroid which has to with boys’ right of passage to manhood, sexually. So this is coupled with that idea;
It is a relationship where the woman is helping a sexually grossly inexperienced man to mature into manhood. He treats her as a something larger than life and much more than a partner. To him she is a sacred-tantric teacher cum partner, short of a goddess.
The woman’s Vesta is conjunct a man’s DC and the man’s Vesta is conjunc the woman’s IC. The man’s Proserpina is conjunct the woman’s DC.
All orbs are less than 2 degrees.
Any insights?
Vesta is sacrificial service to another based on sacrificial love or service.
Vesta could be thought of as the surrogate mother who gives her womb so another woman can have a child. That kind of embodies Vesta, for me, Marion. It is a self sacrifice for the good of another. There is nothing dark here imo
Proserpina in synastry?? Hmm, I suppose one would apply the story. The person with the Prosp. Asteroid in the natal would have the hard rite of passage. The other person may help or hurt him, I would think, depending on the synastry.
Hello:
I have Proserpina conjunct IC and the phrase “One person realized the person he thought was his father was not.” and the phrase “the child was adored by his mother” are both prominent in my case.
I read the comments and I should add that I also had some problems with my birth certificate. O_o!!!. and… I should say that these two are also conjunct with Nessu. What can you say about this? I also have Cyrene conjunct Ascendant-Taurus. And Venus conjunct 8th H cusp. Me:Libra-Sun.
Thanks for the info. xx
If you would look up Cyrene and come back with the info, that would be great. Maybe, we can figure it out for you. What exactly is conjunct Nessus, Friend?
Welcome, Lo! I will come back and study your posts.
Wow Lo
Thanks so much for sharing. The chart is never wrong. I am sorry you went through that.
Hello Amiann:
Thanks for the reply!
Actually, it is not that bad. Nessu-Proserpina-IC conjunction brings challenge people to me. I accept them since I have Venus-8thH conjunct (I like deep, complicated themes) and also I think that Cyrene-AS conjunction plays the role of the fighter that always wins.
These aspects are all exact conjunctions, but I also have the NN 2 degree far from the IC, so it is something like a challenge that I can’t avoid.
I’m just guessing based on personal experiences. What do you think?
Well, I would like to see the visual of the chart, Lo, but based on what I know about Moon/Pluto, I think you will become lovers unless you really, really, really force yourself not to.
I’m glad to hear that!!! ¿How can I post the chart?. Sorry I’m new here.
That is Ok, Sweetie. I am really glad to have you! You go on the front page of my website and you will see Forum as one of the categories on the top. How did you find my website?
Your website is the most complete I found related with asteroids. Normally astrologers don’t touch these subjects as you do. I will go to the forum now. Thanks!
Aww, you made my day, LO. When I was studying Astrology, my major frustration was that asteroids and other things but less so, were not PRACTICAL. I craved practical and usable info. That is what I try to contribute to Astrology and I am thrilled that you saw that, my Friend!
Yep! I got that. PRACTICAL astrology!!! That’s the thing.
I went to the forum already!
Thank you, Lo!
I also have a Venus Apex in a Yod! I posted my chart in the Yod section of the forum!
Aww We will look at the Yod, step by step. A Yod is a job!
Oh, were you asking about your own chart. Lo.Wow, what happened to you as a child. Did you have sexual abuse? I did and I talk about it. That is one reason I have my website, so people can come out of hiding <3. Onto another subject, I am betting that the guy has a Dejanira prominent. It is 157 number. It is just a feel that I have. I may be wrong. Check it out if you want.
I’ve never been neither abused nor suffered for any cause related with abuse. Yet, I have always been around difficult people that harm others, not me.
Aww Did you witness abuse? That can be just as bad and sometimes even worse.
Oh no! I didn’t witnessed any traumatic event at all in my life!. I’ve seen the long term effect on people suffering from others.
Every action of someone that provokes a psychological disturbance on others is, in my opinion, an abuse. I meet these people (both characters) while the long term damage, as a result from a previous power struggle, is already grounded. Therefore they both are weaker. I bring joy, love, and change! Love is the most powerful tool in these cases. Cleaning the Karma, if you know what I mean.
Time is very important in order that I be out of the equation.
It is a pattern in my life, but I have never never had suffered in any way at a will of a Nessu person. It’s not the pattern in which I’ve been. I’m not psycologist either.
I have Pluto-Sun conjunction in my natal chart and Uranus exalted in Scorpio.
I see, Lo.
what if Proserpina conj Jupiter in natal? that’s gonna erode good luck/good things in life?
Jupiter enlarges what it touches. It will magnify good things OR bad things. Proserpina is a hard rite of passage from the teens to the adult such that something traumatic seems to happen. I would think Jupiter would make it worse.