I have had another Chiron relationship fail. I told this person that we have Saturn conjunct Chiron. I told him that we would probably get into a fight over something silly from which we would break apart and not be able to get back. Sure enough, that exact thing happened. I have noticed that Chiron in synastry seems to follow a strange course like a Mobius strip. I will tell you what happens and why, in my opinion. I will give examples from my own life. Please add your own.
Chiron conjunct Venus
I had this with an Aries female. She and I got very close, very fast. We felt we had found our best friend, as is typical in Chiron relationships. In fact, this is one of the classic traits of a Chiron relationship. You feel you have found your best friend or soul mate. She and I felt as if we were long lost best friends. We shared many deep and intimate things. One day, we had a strange misunderstanding. She wanted space, which was fine. However, I thought she did something to diss me and I told her. She thought I would not give her space. I tried to explain that it had nothing to do with space but I felt she dissed me.
Another trait that is classic for Chiron relationships is that there is really no bad guy. The relationship just seems to explode out of nowhere. It seems to be based on the internal pain of both people. At the end, there is no good guy or bad guy. There is just ashes and some strange misunderstanding between the two. For me, I tried to get back the relationship but she seemed to see me as a person I was not. This is another hallmark of the Chiron relationship. After it ends, one person will not be able to see the other clearly. It seems as what was beautiful turned equally ugly.Now, after many years, we are tentative friends. We never talked about it but kind of touched noses as two puppies do.
Chiron conjunct Mars
I had this with a male platonic friend who was gay. We got very close very fast. Again, it felt like such a comfortable best friends relationship. We had an exact Moon trine Moon. This is the single most simpatico aspect in all of Astrology, in my opinion. It feels warm and wonderful. I really adored him. We really touched hearts very deeply. He knew I was a Born Again Christian. We do not believe a person is born a homosexual. We believe it is a choice. He and I never talked about it. Quite frankly, I don’t care about a person’s sexuality. I try to love people who come into my life. I am not the judge of anyone. In actuality, I forget about a person’s sexuality, race etc. I see a heart and in this case, I connected with a heart. One day, he brought up gay marriage. I told him I was opposed to it and he wanted to know why. I wrote three articles for him on why. Then, he did not want to be my friend, anymore.
Chiron conjunct Nessus
This was the funniest one, if you could call it funny. This was an Aries female. She and I got close. Then, could not stand each other. Then, got very close. We felt like best friends and soul mates, as Chiron relationships do. We were close for a long time. Then, one day I wanted to join a group of people she really did not like. I am a very free spirit when it comes to things like this. I told her I was going to do it. She freaked out and even changed her phone number. I tried to explain that it had nothing to do with her. She told me that if I ever texted her again, she would call the police. When I did, she called the police. I think this relationship was the strangest because of the Nessus.
Chiron conjunct the North Node
These relationships can last but the Chiron person brings pain to the NN person and it is a lifetime of pain. Pain becomes a theme in the relationship. If one looks back, one can see that. The North Node will define a person and define a relationship. If a negative planet , asteroid or fixed star such as Chiron, Nessus, Algol, Dejanira,Medusa,Narcissus, Echo or Sedna conjuncts YOUR North Node, in synastry, be very, very careful of marriage.
For the sake of conjunctions, what if someone’s Chiron conjuncts another’s Saturn (1 degree) and Sedna (0 degree)?
Urrrg
I would think both of these would end badly. Please, tell me the story, T.
Hi Amiann and Happy New Year! Actually – the two people have known each other for over a decade now. It’s a wonderfully healing relationship. It’s is not public. Lots of ups and downs and ‘what are we supposed to be doing with this’. A very nice friendship, indeed. Acknowledges a past life history with one another. A feeling of – once we pass this test, something wonderful will follow. Getting all the sh*t out of the closets between one another. Nothing embarrasses them amongst one another anymore. Have tried every type of relationship amongst one another that they can think of.
That is cool, T. Well, I think the Chiron relationship would not have to break apart if each person could humble himself before the other and really talk from the heart. I would be willing to do this but the other people have not been, in my personal experience, anyway.
Hey – don’t get me wrong – you have to have thick skin, be a bit humble, and be willing to face your own issues in order to get through this in the beginning. It’s very difficult to break the connection………….it’s something you have to work through.
I don’t understand, T. Please, explain.
It’s like you said ‘if each person could humble himself before the other and really talk from the heart’ I think this is the best way to work through the Chiron/Saturn energy.
But, T, *I* tried to do that in all my Chiron relationships and the person would not. It takes two.
Hi ami! Do you have any experience with south node conjunct chiron in synastry?
Hi Nany!
I have not seen it, personally. It would be better than NN because the SN one can leave behind one like fluffy slippers one wears in the morning but changes shoes for work. This may not be that terrible of a position because the couple could deal with their pain but not HAVE a lifetime of pain, I would suspect. Who has this? What do you think, Nany?
Ami thanks for your response.well I have this in natal chart- chiron retrograde conjunct south node. but since your article deals with synastry, I asked this out of interest
Well, in your case, I would think that you have dealt with a lot of pain but was able to put it behind you pretty well, Nany. Does that fit?
Yes absolutely, Ami!
Can you tell me about it, Nany?
Ami ,what do you want to know? There has been no specific tragic event or traumatic circumstances. But yes on some issues occasionally i felt & experienced pain deeply & had to muster courage to overcome it , which i did. Its also true that i feel the pain of others deeply as well.it saddens when i see so much injustice exist in society today.
I am a born again Christian, and I do believe a person is born with their sexual orientation. I do not believe that it is a choice.
I have dreamed (romantically, just like any little boy would) about girls since I was a little girl. Since I could ever remember. And I was not abused.
Again:
John 9:2-3 : His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
I hear you, Ferry. Let me say this right now. I AM NOT GOD I have a Born Again friend with a gay son. She had 7 children and she said he was born gay. He was gay right from the beginning. He is now a fashion designer living with a gay partner in Europe. This lady and her family were driven out of the Born Again Church due to her son and she is bitter about it, as one can imagine.I don’t know all the answers. My reading of the Bible is that people are not born gay but it is not up to me to decide. I am called to love and truly I don’t see or care what are the externals. I see hearts!