1. I would look at the North Node, first. The one with which I am most familiar is Chiron conjunct the NN. With any planet or asteroid which touches your NN in synastry, the relationship will be permeated by this planet/asteroid and what it represents. If people ask me, can they do anything to change it, I would say no. It will play out! Others which would make me want to run would be Nessus( abuse) Dejanira( victimization) Algol( evil) Sedna( betrayal by men) Medusa( betrayal by woman) Saturn( a strict, unrelenting parent) Pholus( major unrest and chaos)Uranus( abrupt, jarring change such as abrupt beginnings and endings to the relationship. Uranus could be a divorce aspect or a Liz and Dick kind of breaking up and getting back) Cupido( fake love i.e someone fooling you that he loved you when he didn’t) Cassanova ( a guy who could not be faithful. This could apply to woman, too) Lucifer( pride and arrogance,particularly of a spiritual nature, but annoyingly arrogant, in general) Narcissus( a narcissism) Echo( co-dependency) Nemesis( an enemy) Maniac( this one seems to be exactly what the name implies, a wild and out of control behavior) Prey( this asteroid does seem to show up when a person is being used as prey)Lie( this seems to show up when there are lies) Swindle( this seems to show up when someone wants to swindle ) You can check the nature of any of the asteroids.
2.Saturn square or oppose Venus
The Saturn person puts a damper on the sensitive love nature of the Venus, which is a pure and innocent love. The Venus person could shut down and feel unloved.
3. Saturn square or oppose the Moon
The Saturn person is very critical of the tender emotions of the Moon person. The Moon person shrivels under the critical scrutiny and demand to “grow up” by the Saturn person.
4. Chiron conj the Sun, Moon, Venus or Mars
Chiron will bring pain to what it touches. This is not, always, bad. Sometimes, Chiron conjunct a personal planet can bring great healing, but Chiron is a strange wild card that can blow up relationships into oblivion, for a seemingly silly reason. Once a Chiron relationship blows, it does not seem to get back. I would watch these Chiron aspects like a hawk, if you are thinking of marriage.
5. Anything that is abusive or painful touching your Ascendent. Your Ascendent is a very personal point, such as your underwear, not to be silly about it, but it is a very sensitive and vulnerable part of you. That is why Chiron conj the ASC in the natal is one of the hardest Chiron position, in my opinion. Pain hits you in the face, literally. So, if any of the abusive asteroids, such as Nessus or Algol are conjunct your ASC, in synastry, you will feel it and it will hurt. I do not think this can be overcome. I think it will run the course of the relationship. Hence, if a man’s Nessus is conj your Ascendent, I think he will be abusive to you and it will run the course of the relationship. If someone’s Chiron is conj your ASC, I think they will bring pain to you and it will not stop. The type of pain may vary by the signs involved.If there were air signs, it may be mental pain. If there were earth signs, it may be physical pain, but pain it would be , in my opinion. The type of pain with Nessus would vary with the nature of the signs involved, too. With air signs, Nessus would bring mental pain. With earth signs, Nessus may bring physical pain. With Cardinal signs, the pain may be more aggressive. With mutable signs, it may be less. There is an asteroid called Nemesis. If a man has his Nemesis conjunct your ASC, I would run. You get the sense of the ASC and what conjuncts it, I hope.
6. With a partner, his DSC will show what he wants/craves in a partner and yours will do the same. If his DSC shows that he craves a victim( Dejanira conj the DSC) I would run. If his DSC shows that he craves a pure love(Venus) I would stay. If Chiron conjuncts his DSC, he will look for pain in his partner. This could be a caretaker kind of person. This may not be a bad thing. Chiron is not always bad. It can be a healer, in that it goes deep within a wound and deep healing is needed. However, again, Chiron is a wild card. If something like Sedna conjunct the DSC, I would run because the person would look for betrayal and that can never end well. If Nemesis conjunct the DSC, I would expect the person to look for an enemy, in his partner. This happens more than you may think. We play out our childhood dramas on our partners. This is the case, for better or worse.There would be many asteroids, I would not want conjunct my partners DSC because he would look for them in ME. The same asteroids I listed in the section on the ASC, I would not want conjunct my partners DSC. To do this for yourself, try to distill down the nature of the planet or asteroid and think if you would want it on various places. Once you can put these two things together, you are off to analyzing your own charts.
7. Anything that conjuncts the MC will touch you out in the open, in your relationship with society. If you watch the charts of woman who marry powerful men, the Sun of the woman will conjunct the MC of the man. In essence, he is elevating her, in the eyes of society. I was not surprised to see this in Kate Middleton’s synastry with Prince William. Kate will shine due to her relationship with William.If a man’s Venus hit your MC, you may have a public love affair like Paul newman and Joanne Woodward. However, if certain planets or asteroids hit the MC of your partner’s chart, you may not shine. You may fall. For example, if a man’s Nessus hit your MC, you may have abuse which would show, publicly. If his Uranus hit your MC, you may have break ups and make ups, which would show publicly such as Liz and Dick.The same asteroids I mentioned hitting the ASC would be what I would not want to hit the MC. The MC happens in public. EEK
8. While we are talking about angles, the IC angle is the most personal angle, because it is our childhood self, the little child which lives within all of us. If a man brings an abusive or abrasive planet or asteroid here, it would hurt. It would not show in public, but in private. If a man’s Nessus hit you here, he may abuse you behind closed doors. At any rate, I hope I have made the point to watch the angles in your chart for both good things and bad.
PS I seem to be confusing some people. I am talking about bad aspects. If a planet like the Moon or Venus conjuncts the ASC, IC, DSC or MC, it is a wonderful thing. If Lilith conjuncts one of the angles, it is a wonderful thing, as Lilith is raw sexuality and we all love that.You have to look at the nature of the planet and the nature of what it conjuncts to make your decision of what is good and what is not. Ask any questions, as usual!
I will return with more.
Great article!
Thank you, GL Mom! xx
Very interesting!
My Nessus is exact conjunct my Vesta and they conjuct my DSC with an orb of 3. I am very curious what this make .. I don’t crave abusive partners and never have been in an abusive relationship, but i am very much against abuse. It makes me furious, and i have a strong urge to stand up against it.
And also what if my partner has his NN conjuct this point ( Nessus/Vesta and DSC) ? I was involved with a person with this, that never got to the point of a established relationship, bus still a strong connection..
best wishes,
Kristin
And by the way, these aspects is in Cancer..
My Nessus is exact conjunct my Vesta and they conjuct my DSC with an orb of 3. I am very curious what this make .
Interesting because Vesta is selfless service, so you USE your Nessus for selfless service, I would say. Having this conj your DSC may make you find partners who had abuse and you can help them heal. Does that fit, Kristen?
Thanks again Amiann,
yes that actually fits i think. My first big love had been a front soldier in the Israeli army and i think he had some trauma of that which was a part of our relationship. I also think he helped me with my traumas as well, and our love was very total.
Also my other boyfried had been bullied as a child and also suffered some losses in his life. My heart opened to his pain and I think this made our love also strong.
I also seem to end up beeing an inspirator for people to stop using drugs or stop being negative about themselves. I seem always to feel for people that has suffered cruelty and I want to help them. And I know I can, I know that everyone deserves a second chance and find happiness and love in this world. <3
Thanks for this very informative article. Reading and testing these asteroids.
What would a Nessus (her) conj Mars/Venus in Cancer (his) synastry mean?
Lot of sexual apetite but in the end just plain obsession and emotional abuse? Seing this in a relationship with Mars (her) opposing Saturn (his).
Just bad?
Thanks again
Well, you should put up the whole chart but since you asked, I will talk about each aspect, as if they are in isolation. Nessus conj Mars/venus may make her the abuser. Mars oppose Saturn may make the Mars person put a heavy kind of discipline on the Saturn person. The Mars person may boss the Saturn person around, is what I am trying to say.
Thank you!
Could think this would fit. She plays the weak but…has Libra Moon and Pluto, but not conjunct, Pluto squaring the point as well.
Come put up her chart, Marina dear and ask the questions you have.
Articles about the so-called ‘bad’ asteroids are always interesting to read since most people want to learn more about the ‘good’ synastry aspects first. 🙂 I have just recently been bitten by the ‘asteroid bug’ and I have found your articles truly informative and enlightening.
My boyfriend and I have a lot of good synastry aspects. When I checked our asteroid placements, I noticed a couple of disturbing stuff like his Sedna conjunct my IC, his Bacchus, Medusa, Medea, Aphrodite, Wisdom and Lie conjunct my NN. On the other hand, my Penelope and Sita both conjunct his IC, while my Freya and Pan conjunct his NN. I admit that I sometimes feel that I am getting the short end of the stick, but that’s because I can’t help but create too much drama. (That’s my Venus in Scorpio/Venus-Pluto conjunction talking. ) He’s more emotionally stable than I am (he has Moon in Taurus), and so far, I have yet to find fault (an actual fact) in him. We’ve been together for almost two years now. Maybe in a few more years all these aspects will become more noticeable. 🙁
Thank you for your kind words, Grace. You are welcome to come and post your charts on my Personal Readings Forum. Many times, deep astrological things are not felt until marriage. There is something about the commitment of marriage that brings out these things, but that is just my opinion.
What is Nessus conjunct Jupiter in synastry? Since Jupiter is usually benevolent.
GREAT question, Lena. I am not really sure. I think Jupiter would mitigate the harshness of Nessus but I have to learn from the people who have it. Do you?
Yes, actually. My Nessus is conjunct my man’s Jupiter. I’ve never really noticed Nessus to be honest until this year. Never really noticed it…it’s exactly conjunct at a orb of 0!
You may help him with his abusive impulses. Is this true?
Well, it could be the other way around…he helps me not be so mean. I usually am rude or impulsive when I’m angry but with him I really can’t be that “mad” person. I rarely get mad at him. Lol.
Is Nessus the same for women and men?
Yes, nessus is the same for everyone. Jupiter conj nessus may be good!
I started seeing a guy recently. I felt something ‘was not right’ from the get go. For example, i went to a party with him and everyone said i looked pretty in the outft that i wore that evening….everyone except him. That is not all, later in the evening, he casually informed me “What a gorgeous stunner his ex-wife used to be when she was younger, considering that there are no ‘really beautiful women around!”. In essence, he was trying to say i was not beautiful though people said so that evening. Talk about wanting to crush the self esteem of a partner!
I ran his chart just for the heck of it though it was only my second date, i also ran my chart again with his name asteroid included. WHOA I FOUND THE ANSWER!… His nessus conjunct my ASC in synastry. And in my own chart, his name asteroid conjunct my Dejanira. Both by 2 degrees. Yeah…i have not deleted his number yet. But stepping back. Thanks to astrology and all those who research astrology.
WOW Marion
What a story! Thanks for sharing it. Could I use it on one of my Nessus articles with the name Marion?
Yes, Ami you may use the story for illustration purposes.
The second part of the story (which is ongoing these days) is that the guy has turned more obsessive since i started gradually stepping back. He calls every morning to know my agenda for the day. Then again at evening…sweetly but surely wanting to verify ‘who i am with’. Kind of reminds me of a movie i saw sometime ago….’sleeping with the enemy’. This guy is an extremely wealthy, powerful corporate don with ‘connections’. I am trying not to piss him off. But there is only so much i can do to alter astral promises. (Or curses?)
Our synastry also has His saturn square my Venus (6 degrees), His saturn square my Sun (5 degrees) and Moon opposite Moon (3 degrees). He has a stellium of 5 planets loading my sixth house of enemies. This is real life astrology in action.
What if his Venus conjuct his Dejanira? Is this the same as conjucton with descedant?
My husband of 15yrs has his Nessus conjunct his MC which is conjunct my NN (Cancer H7) which is also opposite his Prey & my Lilith all 1? Orbs, which Pluto is dancing all over at the moment but the abuse doesn
Wow, Tracey
That is a long post. Why don’t you come and post the charts in my personal readings forum and ask any questions you have. Seeing the chart is easier!
How do you think these lilith would aspects play out?
My lilith conjuncts his sun, sextiles his moon, squares his venus and mars (all under 3 degrees)
His lilith conjuncts my IC and north node and trines my sun, mercury and venus and squares my ascendant
Lilith is good, Friend. God made sexuality and Lilith is raw sexuality. I think you and he would be SUPER passionate. This does not translate to soul mate, though. What do the Moons do?
His moon is in Libra and mines is in Leo, his moon trines my sun and my moon conjuncts his sun
That is lovely and warm. It sounds like a great synastry. Go forth and enjoy 😀
Great Article (as always) Ami!
I`d like to ask you, what do you think about this strange aspect in the Synastry:
Dejanira/Medusa/Karma conj. the Asc. Who is the victim? Dejanira, or the Asc. person?
Thanks! <3
Thank you Anya<3
Wow, what a combo on the ASC. The Deja person would be the victim, in my opinion. Now, tell me the story!
Aww, thanks for your answer Ami, I`m confused, really, cuz it`s all so complicated my dear:
The Male`s Dejanira/Medusa/Karma + Juno (etc) are all on the Female`s Ascendant (!)
Or, is it possible that the female one acts as the destructive force, in some Femme Fatale style.
I bet, this is something really out of ordinary.
Dear Ami,
what would it mean if a mans venus and nessus (conjuct in gemini) conjuct a womans IC?
Just discovered this aspect with someone I am about to meet…
Thanks!
Kristin
Hi Kristin
I would not like this at all! I think that he would feel very comfy and homey but abuse may come later. I would be surprised if it did not. Please, keep me apprised of the situation, as it would be interesting to see what happens. You can come and put the charts up in my Forum, too.
Dear Amian,
thank you for your answer. Now I have spent some time with this man in a group of four and I felt very comfortable and at home with him. But it really created big tensions with my very dear friend that also had some feelings towards him and we ended up in a painful situation where we both got hurt. In my point of wiev the situation drove us apart, also because of other reasons, but really this was the major cause as I see it. Now that we parted again I first felt strong pull towards this man to spend more time, and that might happen, but now i see what a extreme mess it all got into and now think that I might be better of without this. But it’s hard to say if it really was his nessus that was the cause for this.. And I wonder if there is a way to handle nessus, also because i think that if it was only his venus that was conjuct my IC (and Amor) and trine my pluto then it would ahve been such a wonderful placement. And would it not be so at all because of nessus? I ahve to find out more about it..
We do have a lot of other strong aspect, like south node conjuct north node almost exact, sun trine sun with one and half orb and my sun conjuct his moon (I do not know his birthtime so I dont know how exact that aspect is).
Also his pluto conjuct my venus, and his venus/nessus conjuct trine my pluto…
I just don’t want any more pain in my life with love and maybe this is too dark for me…
I will try to post the charts in the forum.
Thanks again!
Warm regards
Kristin
Thanks for your comment, Kristin. Yes, it would be much better for me to see the whole charts!
My lilith conjunct his descendant. Who feels it most? Do sextiles, trines and squares count for Lilith as well?
Yes, all these aspects count BUT the orb must be very small. It should be exact to 1 degree imo. Your Lilith conj his DSC. You both would feel that raw sexuality, I think.
What about Nessus conjunct AC I couldnt quite understand. (my Nessus conjuncts his AC & Sun) and HIS Nessus conjuncts my Mars BUT his Valentine also conjuncts my Mars…(all this happens in Virgo)…my Valentine conjunct his MC does that mean love in public? also…His Lilith conjunct my Ascendant and Eros (all in Libra) that one too..How would all those play out? Theres very limited info on these aspects online…theres so much more aspects but those i see as most important for now..
Hi Anony
If I saw a Nessus conj an ASC, I think it would play out to the Nessus person abusing the ASC person. If a Nessus conj Mars, that would be the Nessus person abusing the Mars person in terms of the Mar’s person’s drive. There are always many factors in a chart. A chart is like a person. It has many dimensions. However, if one has a pimple on one’s nose, one has to look at that, too, in my opinion. You can come and out your chart in my Personal Readings Forum and ask any questions you have, Anony. Thank you for being a part of my website and commenting, Friend!
hey ami … how bout south node conjunct chiron syn … as in south node person seeking advice of chiron person
Hi Emily dear
SN conjunct Chiron would not be as bad as NN. SN is what one has already mastered, so not what one has to live through and master, as is the case with NN.What do you mean SN person seeking advice of Chiron person?
I have my Pluto conjunct a friends Nessus, any experience on this?
Make that Déjà too, odd
Can you ask me the whole question here, Melanie? I am not on the article but on the Comment Form and the questions are not in order. Thanks xx
Hello Amian.
This guy Lilith conjunct my MC at 0 degree. And my Eros both opposite his Venus at 2 degree and Pluto by 0 degree. Does Lilith plays the same role as Pluto does?
Regards
Hi Scarlett and Welcome!
Lilith is raw sexuality. Pluto is all of our primal passions and includes raw sexuality but all the rest too like primal anger, primal greed: all primal wants and needs.
Dear Amiann, This is all new to me. I never had time to examine the asteroids, let alone use them in synastry. As I read messages the thought keeps coming up: Do I really need to know this since I (think) I have mastered the planets in synastry with one or two midpoints of sensitive planets thrown in? I mean, there are definite No nos to watch out for as well as the obvious positive aspects. Are the asteroids merely redundant information that will simply confirm the testimony of the classic/standard astrology in chart comparison? Or have you concluded that the classic system of chart comparison is severely limited and in need of fine tuning? Many thanks for this interesting topic. — Peter
Peter, The asteroids are a new whole unto themselves, no more or less than the planets, just more wonderful detail for the charts, my Friend
Yes, i have hard aspects in synastry like opposition between my saturn and his venus… 🙁
Is that conjuction between my venus, my uranus and his neptune in my MC too bad in a synastry as I’m wondering?
I have a Black moon Lilith conjunct Venus double whammy with this guy I just met, how would these aspects play out in every day life? Would it be like a guttural feeling to just have sex out of nowhere? Lol